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General DiscussionI feel like im not improving at the game by playing support

I feel like im not improving at the game by playing support in General Discussion
gl0ryx64

    Everytime i play support i feel like im doing nothing all game. I just win by warding stacking camps and creating space until our carries 1 hit everybody. yeah i win games by supporting but i think my mechanical skills (which i want to improve) is really not improving. i think if i wanna improve at the game i should play more carry or mid heroes? give me your opinion

    when you think about it every pro team's pos 5 is the lowest mmr in the group just sayin

    mr. rabbit

      ur not even playing support

      despair

        lul.

        gl0ryx64

          im not talking about my recent games

          despair

            Play IO, chen, visage, earth spirit then see if you will improve

            oof

              proper supporting is likely just too hard for 3k mmr, you know. you can't improve at something you hardly know how to do in the first place. like, you are definitely doing the wrong stuff when you support, just like me.

              and your statement is not true even, gh is 300 mmr below miracle and he does play pos 5 at times.

              core role is just too important at times, you don't pretty much immediately lose a game if your position 5 gets picked off without buyback.

              despair

                Everytime i play support i feel like im doing nothing all game. I just win by warding stacking camps and creating space until our carries 1 hit everybody. yeah i win games by supporting but i think my mechanical skills (which i want to improve) is really not improving. i think if i wanna improve at the game i should play more carry or mid heroes?

                THERE ARE MORE TO SUPPORTING THAN THIS...

                Strider

                  Dude you hardly play any support that means you have very less experience as a support. And you die a lot I mean way too much as a support. And believe me supporting is not just buying wards . 1 thing I would like to point out that might help don't reveal yourself in the lane during mid game they will always pick you first. And you buy awful lot of Midas as a support and very less wards as a support. No use of smoke and 6 sentry in 30 mins game against 2 invisible heroes . Goodluck winning that game

                  BurstPanther

                    Supp Jugg?

                    Lahai Roi

                      Don't play support until you are actually with good players. Bad players don't know how to benefit from a support. You are essentially wasting your time playing in an enviroment where supports aren't used correctly in the game.

                      If you don't want to play carry then you should do a roaming position 4 ganker.

                      Jacked

                        Play aggressive supports if u want to feel more impact. Supports with shitty move speed and rAnge u have to be really good with positioning and when to go in.

                        Or supports with big ultimates.

                        ねずみ

                          Play sb

                          LowTi3RGoD

                            Don't listen to Granger. He's probably one of the worse players here.

                            Jacked

                              Play lion and get blink. Then learn how to go on aggressively and use defensive items to outplay carries who try to go on you. If u still feel supports don't do anything then you're just playing the hero wrong.

                              basement :)

                                Supporting in low mmr games is pointless because players do not capitalize on it.

                                Potato Marshal

                                  Supporting is easy as shit in 2k games since it's incredibly easy to zone out offlaners if not outright kill them during the laning stage. If you just plop down a lane ward in front of their tower, and just wrap around and attack move, most offlaners at that MMR won't know what to do.

                                  chicken spook,,,,

                                    If you don't want to play carry then you should do a roaming position 4 ganker.

                                    Don't play support

                                    Pos 4 is not support confirmed!!!! Me mid pudge roam lvl 6 ty

                                    chicken spook,,,,

                                      Fix = Supporting in low mmr inflates your mmr for doing something quarter properly

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                                        imo support role is harder than pos 1 and 2 it needs communication,coordination,timing,map awareness, high apm, decision making idk but there's more

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                                          ^ that's all necessary to every role but... pos 1 and 2 are nearly have patterned movements

                                          basement :)

                                            I main position 2 and 5. These 2 roles are the hardest personally. Position 2 is harder in the early to mid game. Position 5 is the hardest late game.

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                                            Héḱmō

                                              How is pod 5 hardest late game. you do nothing but buying wards and stay safe to land your abilities in a teamfight.

                                              early game you have to do a lot

                                              UnSure

                                                Don't play support until you are actually with good players

                                                Then you be a shit suport with good players and lose games because you can't support for shit. Very bad advice.

                                                You need to watch videos on how to support and get shit done.

                                                Imo in most pub games especially at low mmr there is no need for a ture position 5 support, your better of playing more roaming style or a greedy support.
                                                Keep in mind you need to know how much greed you can get away with and what items to buy. Ie if you agh over blink on sk is not the best way to spend your greed.

                                                Watch videos, play support because if you don't you never learn that aspect of the game.

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                                                mr. rabbit

                                                  how is high apm a requirement for support when i can play spirit breaker with one hand

                                                  mr. rabbit

                                                    when u think about it no one really answered the OP's question lmao

                                                    basement :)

                                                      How is pod 5 hardest late game. you do nothing but buying wards and stay safe to land your abilities in a teamfight.
                                                      early game you must do greatly

                                                      By hardest, I mean harder than position 2. Supports are strong early and middle game but weak late game. Late game is harder because it is much easier to die as position 5, and the team fights are more intense. The support still does everything it does early and middle game in the late game but monitoring lanes. Laning as a position 5 can be very easy depending on the lane, and watching other lanes just requires good awareness and decent decision making. Position 2 always has the harder laning phase and must make the most plays throughout the game.

                                                      chicken spook,,,,

                                                        Because it's an unecessary question

                                                        despair

                                                          :laugh2:

                                                          Cheap Laugh Guy

                                                            I'm actually a bad carry player

                                                            despair

                                                              Examples of matches where i had better stats than my cores
                                                              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3291434846
                                                              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3291661263

                                                              Jacked

                                                                It's hard to be useful as a pos 5 in late game. Doesn't mean it's hArder for the pos 5 late game unless u have some game winning ult.

                                                                The hardest part of support is what u do in early game which is when you're the strongest and can do the most. So of course it's "easier" cuz u can technically get more done. But that's precisely why it's so hard to do right. You need to know how to maximise your impact.

                                                                despair

                                                                  Still useful, imagine a disruptor catching 3 heroes with ss(aghanims), in the late game or a crucial relocate from io or a nether swap from vs etc.

                                                                  vohi10

                                                                    when you think about it every pro team's pos 5 is the lowest mmr in the group just sayin

                                                                    ))

                                                                    chicken spook,,,,

                                                                      Pro pos 5s are in a team for their raw mechanical skill, and if they managed to get 5k mmr as a support its already amazing since everyone wants carry but plays like crap especially in SEA !!!!!!

                                                                      vohi10

                                                                        since everyone wants carry but plays like crap especially in SEA

                                                                        please stop perpetuating this myth

                                                                        UnSure

                                                                          when you think about it every pro team's pos 5 is the lowest mmr in the group just sayin

                                                                          They're also the captain and drafter so mabye their got more on their minds then a high mmr.

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                                                                          cartel

                                                                            Abyss watcher....
                                                                            CAN U STOP CALLING ULTIMATES "SS".....WHAT DOES THAT EVEN STAND FOR..... SUPER SKILL

                                                                            Torin

                                                                              Seeing as disruptor was clearly the main focus of the point and his ultimate was mentioned it seems reasonable to assume that in this instance ss refers to static storm and not super skill.

                                                                              cartel

                                                                                Hmmmm...good point...im still sure theres a guy in this forum that calls ultimates ss

                                                                                despair

                                                                                  When i was a kid i used to call ultimates' "ss" but not i only call Sun strike, static storm, storm spirit ss

                                                                                  9o_o6

                                                                                    think of supports are multiplers and cores are base stats. If you are a good support ur multiplier will be like x5. if you are a bad support your multipler could be .8 or 1. Now lets look at cores they could be 0 or 1000. This means a bad player who is a 200 score core will do just as well as a 1000 score player if his supports is .8 or 1 and the 200 score player's support is x5.

                                                                                    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                                                                      You get better at the game by practicing it, what you practice doesn't matter

                                                                                      as long as it produces results.

                                                                                      Ontosoroh

                                                                                        The Art of Support

                                                                                        ya practice makes perfect

                                                                                        Shou

                                                                                          in 1k or 2k supports basically play like underfarmed cores, ull find ur shadow shamans rushing aghs refresher, and in general not rlly "supporting" not that I know what supporting is.
                                                                                          I do know supporting isn't auto attacking the enemy ranged creep over and over then randomly casting spells at the enemy offlane.
                                                                                          eh I think it wud be better to play core, advance in dota, actually understand the game on a basic level, then play support. or maybe I'm just dogshit :thinking:

                                                                                          Jacked

                                                                                            But it's true that at really Low mmr it's kind of pointless to be a support or pos 5 and be underfarmed because that doesn't actually make your cores more farmed like in higher mmr

                                                                                            all role player

                                                                                              in low mmr, u just pick bounty hunter and track everybody
                                                                                              0lh still same farm like pos 2 or 3
                                                                                              dont know how to play defensive supp tho

                                                                                              chicken spook,,,,

                                                                                                @vohi
                                                                                                Come on dude it was an obviously sarcastic shitpost

                                                                                                despair

                                                                                                  You can try your goddamn best every game as a support but the flow of the game still depends on your core players, which is why supporting is so underrated since most players want to be the star or the game.

                                                                                                  chicken spook,,,,

                                                                                                    Supporting is fun

                                                                                                    rain markcawat

                                                                                                      ^nice joke