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General DiscussionNew MM is good for pos 1+2, sucks for pos 3/4

New MM is good for pos 1+2, sucks for pos 3/4 in General Discussion
Hávamál

    If you're an offlane player the egame basically bevame unplayable. I have people that just pick core as pos 4 (viper/necro in my last 2 games)

    When i play pos 4, i get deadalus kunkka or huskar as on offlaner, and get blamed when they feed in their lane :)

    As 3/4 player i got one of those roles anyway even before the match, now basically the guy that would have argued with the other midplayer just qeues as po 3/4 and picks a mid hero

    When i qeued as pos 5 i won like 6 games in a row, now taht i tried qeueing as pos 4/3 i get one of these duded in every single game

    Kowareta

      this guy when has 5 win streaks -> "oh shit, oh damn, what a perfect change, new mm is so good"
      this guy when has 5 lose streaks -> "oh shit, oh damn, what a shitty mm for pos bla bla bla"
      this guy in total -> Normal Skill garbage. "im winning when my teammate carrying me, but im losing when he is shit"

      MuLLiPullervO

        Best pos in the patch is POS 6

        Hávamál

          is there some kind of russkie community where someone made a post on how to avoid long mid qeue by qeueing offlane and picking kunkka/viper/huskar?

          MuLLiPullervO

            Consider to just spam block pls! So u would spread some intelligence by copying me!

            Your other posts are worthless!

            aFeect

              qeueing offlane and picking kunkka/viper/huskar?

              That's normal stuff man, that's the meta lol, I see this all the time in my games.

              DemonicTrashcan

                Is something intrinsically wrong with having Kunkka/Viper/Huskar in the offlane?

                As long as your pos 3 hero can make space for your team, they're doing their job holistically. The secondary duty of pos 3 is generally to carry most of the aura items, as they have access to farm yet usually aren't terribly dependent on specific items to function and therefore can focus on team-utility.

                All 3 of the heroes you complained about can absolutely fulfill both functions. They all scale well with levels and are an immediate threat once they are level 6, are all fairly durable and are not constrained to highly specific items so can focus on team-utility auras and such.

                This sounds like a standard case of "Focusing on my allies' perceived mistakes when we lose instead of focusing on what I could be doing to improve." You need to fight that natural instinct to scapegoat the blame- this is what the primal animal side of our brains do naturally. You can't change how your allies play, you're not training them. You can only improve your own play.

                If you leave your losses with internal statements/mentalities like "gg these dumbass offlane picks, etc." you close yourself off to introspection. There is always something better you could have done.

                Lantern of Dreams

                  The limitation of viper and huskar as 3 is that they are fighting heroes with no initiation and teamfight.

                  If they lose lane and aren’t big they will be 0 impact heroes whereas a lot of offlaners can get a blink and suicide drop arena or echo slam and have game impact.

                  That’s the main difference.

                  LegendaryHD

                    this guy when has 5 win streaks -> "oh shit, oh damn, what a perfect change, new mm is so good"
                    this guy when has 5 lose streaks -> "oh shit, oh damn, what a shitty mm for pos bla bla bla"
                    this guy in total -> Normal Skill garbage. "im winning when my teammate carrying me, but im losing when he is shit"

                    True lol, most people that bitching about new mm is because they have low behavior score, so far I never face anything like that, maybe it's because I have 9.1 behavior score.

                    Desephviasco

                      ^9.3 beh score here. 5k mmr (or 4.9 alr due to lose streak i forgot)
                      This new mm is unbalanced as fuck. One game i should hard supporting 4 ancient in my team vs team full of div 1 div 2, then one game i playing mid with immortal top 1k sup (the rest of team like div and immo withoit rank) vs immortal 2k 3k 4k. And dont forget because of this unbalanced mm, u can get like +5//-40.

                      Desephviasco

                        And ofc that immo 1k bitching about supporting div mid just like i am bitching about supporting ancient hais

                        Gym 5 days, Rest 2 days

                          I watched an old barnyyy vod from 2014 where he played terrorblade. They had a jungle Axe with an offlane bristleback who had brown boots/basi ring (barnyyy gave him a tango). The enemy had a jungle ursa and an offlane solo razor.

                          Dumb teams/lanes are a constant in Dota.

                          Hávamál

                            Is something intrinsically wrong with having Kunkka/Viper/Huskar in the offlane?

                            No, I actually think kunkka is great as a pos 3. The problem is when you build phasee shadowblade daedalus and you start with 3 tangos as regen

                            I even got asked to share tangos to my offlaner twice

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                            Kowareta

                              OP
                              if u cant find friends to play with them, just pay money for it. like u did for bulldog.
                              i dont understand why u keep playing solo when u are not enjoying it.
                              just pay to get carried 4Head

                              61 years old

                                playing rank is so oldfashioned, i used to do it in 1980s

                                flourishing new leaf

                                  Tbh, Idk, ranked up 4 times already as pos 4. But then again my current mmr is still low as shit...

                                  [OwO] SmO0OoOoO0OzE

                                    i have 9.8k beh. score so its not fucking behaviour score, its the inability of people to choose their fucking roles and pick fucking accordingly,

                                    i started off with support roles; when i get one support role, the other support role player picks a fucking tinker, and mid role also picks a mid hero and it becomes total chaos

                                    then i went with core, i mid usually but hey guess what the hard support role player already picked fucking invoker well ffuck me.

                                    i dont understand why its so hard to just mark mid lane and search, now that its available to all players there wont be fuckiing longer queue times

                                    also its fucking dota, people need to learn to adjust to morons.. its fucking painful to watch as a support when 2 players go mid.

                                    also I do wish the normal matchmaking option was also there, because then i wont be fucking planning to pick a mid hero, i go with the draft/morons i get and adjust and pick accordingly.

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                                    MuLLiPullervO

                                      Why OP assumes offlaner will be pos 3? There are ton of games where offlaner is pos 2 and some where it is pos 1