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General DiscussionRazor in 7.20

Razor in 7.20 in General Discussion
A Wild Pikachu Has Appeared!

    3rd skill changes made him farm faster, and now his 1st has a decent slow.
    Pretty underrated so far, but im winning games with him in the 7k+bracket
    When will pubs start to spam this hero?

    Moranague

      I'm actually quite surprised that 7.20 didn't have some crazy restructure of his W to be "sucks AS and gives it to Razor." That might actually make him viable if they give him a stat gain or base damage buff.

      Oh, and also give him a real choice for Level 15 talents, 4% MS is hot garbage.

      FlightOfGrey

        I see you're building euls every game. How do you use his euls, suck then euls the sucker?

        SEA ranked #1 Feeder KEK

          Do u play him offlane or safelane?

          kuci

            i play him as offlaner and safelaner vs slark in 7.20 pretty dang now you can flash farm with the e change

            SEA ranked #1 Feeder KEK

              Phase or treads?

              A Wild Pikachu Has Appeared!

                razor is best played as mid/offlane, it kinda sucks as carry
                Euls is good as you can cancel tp, chase, and also 2nd and euls a carry up to suck his damage
                Usually i go stat items into hood into phase into euls into sny/agha/hurricane/bkb/etc

                DC.MASON

                  so he's playable?

                  kuci

                    phase boots only viable on certain heroes, razor is one of them

                    Yami Yugi

                      holy shit OP really spam this hero RIGHT NOW

                      Player 281121816

                        You should maxing his 3rd instead 1st because it give him everything, mobility, harrast, flash farm

                        But i still weak tho

                        A Wild Pikachu Has Appeared!

                          you almost alwayls should max first
                          The standard build should be:
                          2 1 2 1 1 4 1 3 3 3 talent at lvl 10(agi) 3 4 2 2

                          inx4c

                            seems pretty good
                            think u still need hp regen, maybe tranquils?

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                            Yami Yugi

                              Usually i go stat items into hood

                              I think he goes Hoods of Defiance, o Kala The Frog

                              CUTNPASTE

                                I saw the dotabuff before, I am a big razor fan so I'm keen to try it. I will see if I get an opportunity to uncork it with your build.

                                Benbastic

                                  very nice thread. thanks @X.

                                  ScottishJabz

                                    @ X.

                                    What are your starting items with Razor (I presume WBs are still worth the stats even after 7.20e)?

                                    Player 281121816

                                      you almost alwayls should max first
                                      The standard build should be:
                                      2 1 2 1 1 4 1 3 3 3 talent at lvl 10(agi) 3 4 2 2

                                      No, you imbecile. His 3rd give 120 area damage every 3 scd and 16 bonus ms for FREE. Im sound like communist, but no things better than free stuff

                                      You have a hard lane, feed, go level 7, stack jungle and go out with holy locket and drums at minute 16. The good things, u can even amplify with yasha kaya, radiance, aghanim or go mjolnir for total atk speed. Trust me, i already tried it

                                      A Wild Pikachu Has Appeared!

                                        Fact 1: if you max 3rd early on, you will mess up the lane if your 3rd keeps proc
                                        Fact 2: Holy Locket on Razor? really?
                                        Fact 3: There are better carries to afk farm if you wanna go jungle, and razor is not one of them
                                        Fact 4: Razor 1st is one of the best spells of the game, it has high damage a slow and just 125 mana cost, why would you not max it

                                        A Wild Pikachu Has Appeared!

                                          Usually my mid starting build would be two circlet and two slippers
                                          I usually opt for getting two wraith band before boots and getting a wand or smth after that
                                          I would then go euls/hood and get phase after one of those items
                                          after that i would get euls(if i got hood) or sny
                                          Disassemble it to make heaven halberd and manta/agha/bkb
                                          the rest is up to you

                                          Geckolimus

                                            I’m also a Razor spammer and am about to offer my insight when I realize my own win rate with him does not generate any confidence.
                                            Hence I think I will shut up.

                                            But Whilst Razor can be stronk in the right hands I think there are more powerful and easier carries to spam this current patch.

                                            Regards
                                            Gecko

                                            i follow Jesus.

                                              razer is garbage and niche like drow
                                              he doesnt counter some heroes with his rework now like he used to
                                              still lacks a lot of farm, i go treads on him because it's cheaper
                                              he's much better than before tho

                                              Tktoast

                                                OP is so right! thank you for this thread! Been Razor's #1 fan for years

                                                i have 5 reports to use

                                                  razor is great, buy radiance octarine on him

                                                  A Wild Pikachu Has Appeared!

                                                    Here is an example of one my successful razor games
                                                    Match id: 4271723973

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                                                    Autumn

                                                      Question how would you play him against a 7k AM? I'm thinking of waiting for him to spellshield or just succ another enemy's damage and go ham on their team/am instead.

                                                      A Wild Pikachu Has Appeared!

                                                        Nah, razor just sucks vs am, it does okay vs am in lane i guess but thats it

                                                        ScottishJabz

                                                          @X

                                                          Can i just say thanks for this post btw. I tried the build in a few pub games this weekend (obviously not definitive) but thought it made Razor feel a bit more relevant compared to other builds.

                                                          I actually dont mind the AM pick as before lvl 6 you constantly leash him to make him choose to lose the damage OR give you it to control the lane and with the build above you can do reasonable damage with your q and chase them down with the slow. Basically do what the offlane is meant to do and be a pain in the enemies carries backside.

                                                          As the game progresses mid-game people either target you (better than our carry) and you euls yourself to buy time and steal that damage or forget to and your eye of the storm has time to let rip.

                                                          Androgynous

                                                            why were people not getting euls before? seems like it was even better pre movement speed changes (flat ms increase gets multiplied by phase, sny and passive)

                                                            y so trash?

                                                              He's pretty decent as an offlane. He's a lackluster mid imo. I usually start with some basic items, then build into wraith band, phase, get a holy locket and then build into hood or vanguard depending on the enemies (magic vs phsical). The reasoning for the locket is that it amplifies Regen so you're gonna build pipe, crimson guard, bkb, and then aghs, (throw a euls in there and you're set). You will have like 40 Regen and lots of magic resist and physical resist. You can literally not be killed if you play him right.

                                                              Skill build is 1-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-1-1-1-4-2-2 while getting the agi talent and static drain talent on to of armor. Also lvl 25 I go for unstable current DMG since you're a tank mofo and your passive actually works even if you self euls.

                                                              I had a pa jump on me and tickle me while I drained her dmg and she took 350 magic dmg every 3 seconds

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                                                              Player 281121816

                                                                Fact 1: if you max 3rd early on, you will mess up the lane if your 3rd keeps proc
                                                                Fact 2: Holy Locket on Razor? really?
                                                                Fact 3: There are better carries to afk farm if you wanna go jungle, and razor is not one of them
                                                                Fact 4: Razor 1st is one of the best spells of the game, it has high damage a slow and just 125 mana cost, why would you not max it

                                                                Trying so hard to be smart but still a fool. Next pls

                                                                Androgynous

                                                                  3k player calling a top 200 player an imbecile
                                                                  seems legit

                                                                  A Wild Pikachu Has Appeared!

                                                                    Maybe the magic build would work, but it requires more items to be useful, building hood into phase and euls gives you good fighting ability, and usually i would pick razor vs heroes like pa to drain their damage

                                                                    if i was going to use magic, i would rather use other heroes that can offer more magic damage with less items(just does not walk as fast)

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                                                                      Holy Locket offers too little for its price. I think Huskar and Timber are the only cores who can fully utilize the item and make it worthwhile.

                                                                      Potato Marshal

                                                                        Buying a healing/regen boosting item for a hero with no healing or regen abilities or items...

                                                                        Buying a 2650 gold locket for pipe, so that you can waste an item slot for an extra 2hp regen from your pipe...

                                                                        I know 4k is shit and all, but I didn't think even you guys could be this bad at theorycrafting and itemization. Even a perseverance provides as much regen for Razor as a locket

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