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General DiscussionWhich carry ultimate is the worst one...

Which carry ultimate is the worst one... in General Discussion
Shm1l:)

    if you all say that, ok. radiance nerf is also low juxta.

    Xignum

      was radi ever an item for pl?

      Shm1l:)

        why nor radiance on PL? aganim radiance and octarian. and yes radiance wasn`t on sugest items.But i don`t pick only sugest items, even if its wrong.

        Shou

          Radiance was maybe a pl item when he had his invis spell
          MAYBE

          Dire Wolf

            radiance was a pl item cus his illusions used to last 20 seconds so they could run down a lane and keep creating themselves and split push. They don't last long enough now, only 8 seconds from pl and 4 from illusion procs, so you can't push anything beyond the first wave. They clearly wanted to change pl from a rat/split pusher potential to a team fighter cus they also gave him rush ability.

            The sniper thing, aghs is just cool that's why! But also you can hit people 3000 away instead of ~1000 away. But yes dps wise it's always less.

            meteor hammer

              rad oct aghs pl :thinking:

              ShiftingSkys

                Honestly I think Juxtapose is one of the worst ults. Honestly I don't think any Ult should be passive but that's just my two cents. Im sure you could rework PA to do the same thing while making the ult castable. Could be cool if u activate the Ult like SB She loses her ability to Crit and gets a huge movespeed or evasion buff or something.

                hym

                  can we talk about how call down is worse than a lot of non-ultimate abilities

                  arin

                    definitely omnislash, whenever i play jugger i jump to the other side of the map while enemy hits <50% of slashes on me regardless of standing in a creepwave

                    Shou

                      rn it only looks like call down is bad tbh
                      idk why someone wud think juxtapose is bad, thats fucking retarded

                      meteor hammer

                        juxtapose fanboys smh

                        Fee Too Pee

                          NO ONE MENTION LIFEBREAK ???

                          LITERALLY WORST ULTIMATE IN THE GAME

                          Shou

                            lifebreak literally enables huskar as a hero
                            so does juxtapose

                            Cashmere

                              Except the part where lifebreak purges all debuffs on cast and also makes you magic immune while you are in the air.

                              PaintItBlack

                                mana void or ta traps

                                Justin Weaver

                                  Juxtapose is bad? Lmao, don't make me cry so hard! If it's bad, why would people ever consider counter picking a pl ? Maybe you haven't seen enough illusion jukes or u are too blind to the fact that giving space to a good pl player is saying good bye to all your buildings and heroes in team fights, I adore that hero, don't just downgrade an ability that makes a hero as such ! :)

                                  Nile

                                    Viper ult? Why wasn’t it mentioned?

                                    meteor hammer

                                      juxtapose lets pl hit buildings with 16% damage illusions for 8/4 seconds, those illusions are further penalized by towers taking 40% ilus damage

                                      so in summary 10 illusions all hitting at once will do at max 64% of pl's damage for probably 7 seconds of actual hitting PER WAVE, pl being a agi core with probably 200 damage that hits twice a second

                                      so you do way less damage to towers than actual pusher carry like lycan

                                      Shou

                                        ????
                                        wow this ulti doesnt dmg buildings, this hero sucks
                                        not every carry is meant to hit buildings, ursa doesnt do it well, neither does slark

                                        Invidia

                                          All ult has something to support that hero (lifebreak, juxtapose,etc.).

                                          Except viper's ult, thats retarded

                                          Altaire

                                            Call Down hands down
                                            Flak is the one who carries Gyro, not call

                                            Even then he still feels meh

                                            ETd

                                              On its own, or considering strategies with the hero, or coupled with the hero's other skills? Do we also factor in the levels of the ult? Problem with these threads is that it will almost always be subjective, dota has so many interactions to think about. IMO though, I'd say Chrono?

                                              Xignum

                                                Chrono is amazing though

                                                Tribo

                                                  How can an ult be useless? Everything is made for a purpose, for e.g.:
                                                  TA's ult has a hell of a slow TA needs range and a slowed down enemy to nuke him

                                                  PL's ult is freaking awesome, you ain't picking PL in a Timbersaw game or versus cleave damage heroes aren't you?

                                                  Pari

                                                    1. Lone druid trueform
                                                    Actually the warcry on lonedruid subskill is pretty good, yet it need to use the ulti so it can be used. Its not effective at all.

                                                    2. PA coup de grace
                                                    The reason why i choose this bcz i have no luckiness for the crits. REALLY FVCK!. I already attempted to wait and stack the "psd", yet this shit never come out.all of the total blink strike attacks makes no crits