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meteor hammer

    every game IS WINNABLE with perfect early game play

    one syllable anglo-saxon

      why do u max bash over charge

      meteor hammer

        idk i do what i feel like

        meteor hammer

          i had no trouble chasing people in this game and wanted more damage and it was mostly pickoffs

          bearcat0611

            ult works with bash so more bash better ult.

            meteor hammer

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              Shou

                more charge points when u want the guarenteed disable, more bash points when u want more dmg or they arent elusive

                meteor hammer

                  charge better in tf charge through everyone and stun fast maybe, however any skill build and sb crushes this hero is retarded

                  one syllable anglo-saxon

                    ye ur skillbuild doesnt rly matter past level 2 but maxing q is a bit better especially if ur 17% is indeed 17% and not 71

                    meteor hammer

                      sometimes u need burst more than u need reliable disable im not a sb main but i think its a situational thig

                      meteor hammer

                        btw i love how bad players always take ownership of getting carried by saying they "got focused" or that people "camped their lane" even when the score is 10 0 at 10 minutes and the enemy supports are feeding relentlessly

                        Shou

                          Sb is so strong but ffs I get 22 assist by 22 min absolutely stomping and we lose cuz no one has that much farm and no one bought truestrike or diffusal
                          https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3365999839

                          meteor hammer

                            u have a shitty late game, u needed to tell ur team to rosh especially with that solar crest. if u have aegis and push hg 25-30 mins you will win 100% because necro had nothing/relic and if you just break t3 u are guaranteed dead shrines and the next rosh

                            still, at 25-30 mins ur team should rape them on their hg with aegis. andif u were really good u would get thm to rosh at like 16-18 mins and then you would break hg with aegis + cheese

                            ur team has a beastmaster, a vlad, and a solar crest so u can actually push fast even though od and ember arent good pushers. also u wasted 2k gold on vlads #2, a blademail hotd or force staff couldve made a huge impact in that game

                            meteor hammer

                              pa lc and ss got their first core items at 27 minutes, theres really no excuse to lose that game, you just have to be the guy drawing lines and pinging towers

                              no offense intended you played really well compared to everyone else for that game, i just hate seeing people lose with such an advantage

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                              Shou

                                Ye
                                No one listened I motioned for Roshan around 20ish min
                                The vlads was a mistake, wudve gone for smth else.

                                Jacked

                                  I scream for rosh and ping my Hp dropping to It so they come

                                  Jacked

                                    It's seems really obvious and simple but I have much higher winrate whenever team listens to my rosh calls and then pushes w aegis. It almost always results in favourable fight momentum and map control.

                                    Jacked

                                      And then many games where team simply do not want to coordinate for rosh and there's no easy way to win fights and get objectives. Those games should be equally winnable if enemy doesn't rosh but I usually lose those

                                      Bungmangler

                                        ahh feels bad man.
                                        freaking 4.3 av mmr game. Get someone trying to run pos 1 safe lane pugna. Luckily he went mid and we got a sven. Ok things are looking ok with these apes.

                                        teal , watching too much TI, picked nature profit. We got a roaming pudge whos a 3.8k player. Im talking with these guys, and they seem to listen. Sadly they were just to shitty. We killed the offlane underlord 4 times before minute 10 getting sven some good farm.

                                        between pugna pudge and NP , they died for 31 out of 38 kills. Meanwhile pos 5 bird died twice.

                                        yes... every game is winnable indeed. I fucking hate these massive MMR swing games.

                                        Shou

                                          I ping for Roshan, they do rosh, then feed aegis in a stupid dive
                                          FeelsMantumbaMan

                                          also jdf8

                                            normal human beings - OK we got rax, let's gtfo so we don't feed

                                            4k doto - we just won a push, let's fight! Wait, why did 2 people tp away? Oh well, I'm going in. WTF I bought bfly instead of buyback how could we lose this?? gg team

                                            死の恐怖 Haseo

                                              no pus5y boi davai!!

                                              hym

                                                however any skill build and sb crushes this hero is retarded

                                                i think it's because of the 50 years of single target stun

                                                Shou

                                                  Happens so much
                                                  I die because I get jumped and I just type all caps GET BACK for fucking ever and they still proceed to walk up there and die
                                                  It's not like an error in judgement
                                                  IM FUCKING SCREAMING AT THEM AND TJEY STILL DONT REGISTER

                                                  faw

                                                    4k doto - we just won a push, let's fight! Wait, why did 2 people tp away? Oh well, I'm going in. WTF I bought bfly instead of buyback how could we lose this?? gg team

                                                    implying this doesnt happen in high 5k

                                                    also jdf8

                                                      less at least

                                                      and when it happens they usually realize they shit the bed

                                                      bearcat0611

                                                        in 2k we just dont bother with rosh, or pushing, or really even farming. Just fight all the time. Our team has lost every fight we've taken? lets go kill that guy with three heroes behind him. Oh and lets stay together says the sven who just tp'd to the other side of the map from us.

                                                        Shou

                                                          ^no
                                                          In my experience it is a lot of "wow I win fight I farm now passively while waiting for them to respawn"
                                                          They do fight a lot and farm a lot but they almost never end games properly
                                                          They either group for the whole game, end up with no farm and lose, or win with that strategy, or they constantly gank and farm but never end the game.

                                                          Fee Too Pee

                                                            Oh they just buyback? Lets not waste their buybacks , lets still going in and feeds

                                                            Happened too much

                                                            faw

                                                              sf 4500 first picking to steal my mid hmm mm m mm in 5.2 avg nice !

                                                              Jacked

                                                                So only 5k save for buyback? I usually don't

                                                                severe

                                                                  i really wish i wouldn't get matched vs int ranked stacks when i'm playing normal party ranked
                                                                  had to dodge a game vs matrice because they have a lower average mmr due to being 5man in int ranked even though they're actually way way higher avg mmr

                                                                  D
                                                                  D

                                                                    finally I get into somewhat decent mmr game in int mm xd

                                                                    D
                                                                    D

                                                                      easy fucking game xD

                                                                      arin
                                                                        one syllable anglo-saxon

                                                                          i thought u quit ranked until the end of the season?

                                                                          meteor hammer

                                                                            idk what mmr that is but if i ha dbeen matched with that am player i would've been pissed

                                                                            arin

                                                                              i thought it's gonna take several days before ti ranked ends, not a month
                                                                              in that case i have time to reach 5.5k

                                                                              faw

                                                                                lol

                                                                                arin

                                                                                  https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3378434394
                                                                                  locks mid
                                                                                  goes 0 5
                                                                                  flames entire game, either crying about something and shouting profanities in voice or telling me how i ruined the game and that i dont understand dota

                                                                                  :thinking:

                                                                                  arin

                                                                                    in other words in 4k again good god

                                                                                    meteor hammer

                                                                                      this one goes in the "games that i threw" pile

                                                                                      rip

                                                                                      meteor hammer

                                                                                        "standing still against pudge: a cautionary tale"

                                                                                        locks mid
                                                                                        goes 0 5
                                                                                        flames entire game, either crying about something and shouting profanities in voice or telling me how i ruined the game and that i dont understand dota

                                                                                        sounds like me, but i dont play in eu :thinking:

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                                                                                        Shou

                                                                                          I'm 2k now btw haHAA
                                                                                          My profile doesn't say it yet but it'll update

                                                                                          meteor hammer

                                                                                            guys i have an honest question: what runs thru ur head if u pick enigma with silencer still in the pool?

                                                                                            faw

                                                                                              that u can play around it as long as ure the better player

                                                                                              arin

                                                                                                i pick enigma with silencer on enemy team already picked

                                                                                                meteor hammer

                                                                                                  https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3374702811

                                                                                                  idk dude how hard is it to go 30 mins without hitting r, i never used gs

                                                                                                  fuzzymanboob;

                                                                                                    The battle is determined before it has started so no not all games are winnable