General Discussion

General Discussion7.02

7.02 in General Discussion
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    General Changes:
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    * Shrines are now vulnerable after a T3 tower dies (same as the Shrines inside the base), rather than after all T2 towers die
    * Sentry Wards now come in packs of 1 for 100 gold (instead of 2 for 200)
    * Added Lycan to CM

    * Satyr Trickster Purge slow from 100/80/60/40/20% over 5 seconds to 50/40/30/20/10%
    * Helm of the Dominator All Stats from 6 to 4
    * Helm of the Dominator creeps now give a constant 125 gold bounty
    * Shadow Walk damage for Silver Edge from 225 to 200
    * Tome of Knowledge additional XP per used Tome from 100 to 135
    * Blademail damage return no longer spell lifesteals off of returned damage
    * Dragon Lance agility from 14 to 13
    * Battle Fury Radius from 280 to 300
    * Battle Fury Distance from 520 to 570
    * Bloodthorn cooldown from 11 to 13
    * Solar Crest Armor from 10 to 12 (same for transferring to Ally/Enemy)
    * Sange maim chance from 24% to 30%
    * Sange and Yasha Greater Maim chance from 30% to 35%
    * Heaven's Halberd maim chance from 24% to 35%
    * Heaven's Halberd cooldown from 30 to 22
    * Regen Rune now has the same damage dispel rules as Healing Salve
    * Aegis expiration regen now has the same damage dispel rules as Healing Salve

    * Observer Wards now have a Fog of War simulator to show you the area the ward will reveal (taking into account trees and terrain height)

    * Towers no longer attack neutral team units
    * The following abilities cause neutrals to temporarily not draw aggro: Meat Hook, Telekinesis and Toss

    * Added more trees for TP cover around the dire towers
    * Swapped the dire secondary jungle ancients and medium camp spots (and improved spawn boxes/stackability)
    * The Dire ward spot to the left of the Ancients no longer gives vision over the rune area infront of Roshan
    * Slightly adjusted the dire secondary jungle bounty rune further back
    * Reduced spawnbox size for both Dire hard camps
    * Shifted down the spawnbox for the ancient camp (formerly medium camp) in the Dire secondary jungle (so a high ground ward does not block the camp)
    * Fixed a rare case where Dire ancients could be stuck between trees when spawning

    Hero Changes:
    --
    Abaddon:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15% XP Gain to +20%

    Alchemist:
    * Level 15 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +80 Unstable Concoction Damage
    * Level 25 Talent from -4 Acid Spray Armor to -5

    Ancient Apparition:
    * Level 15 Talent from +25 Health Regen to +30
    * Level 15 Talent from +15 Intelligence to -1s Ice Vortex Cooldown
    * Level 20 Talent from -30s Respawn Time to -35s

    Antimage:
    * Level 10 Talent from +6 Strength to +150 Health
    * Level 15 Talent from +250 Health to -1s Blink Cooldown
    * Level 25 Talent from -2s Blink Cooldown to -50s Mana Void Cooldown

    Arc Warden:
    * Level 10 Talent from +125 Health to +20 Flux DPS
    * Level 15 Talent from +8 Strength to +200 Health

    Axe:
    * Level 20 Talent from +30 Movement Speed to +35

    Bane:
    * Level 20 Talent from +35 Movement Speed to +75 Enfeeble Damage Reduction
    * Level 25 Talent from +120 Enfeeble Damage Reduction to +75 Movement Speed

    Batrider:
    * Level 15 Talent from +175 Health to +200

    Beastmaster:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15% XP Gain to +20%
    * Level 15 Talent from -30s Respawn Time to -35s
    * Level 20 Talent from +300 Health to +350
    * Level 25 Talent from +175 Wild Axes Damage to +250

    Bloodseeker
    * Level 10 Talent from +5 Armor to +200 Health
    * Level 15 Talent from +250 Health to +75 Blood Rite Damage
    * Level 20 Talent from -30s Respawn Time to +14% Rupture Damage

    Bounty Hunter:
    * Scepter now also increases Shuriken Toss ministun duration from 0.1 to 0.75
    * Level 10 Talent from +15% XP Gain to +20%
    * Level 20 Talent from +100 Damage to +120 Damage
    * Level 20 Talent from 8% Spell Amplification to +75 Shuriken Toss Damage
    * Level 25 Talent from +20% Evasion to +25%

    Brewmaster:
    * Fire Spirit now has phasing movement
    * Level 10 Talent from +25 Attack Speed to +30
    * Level 15 Talent from +20 Movement Speed to +75 Thunder Clap Damage
    * Level 20 Talent from -25s Respawn Time to -35s
    * Level 25 Talent from 14 Primal Split Unit Armor to +20

    Bristleback:
    * Quill Spray Max damage from 450 to 550
    * Viscous Nasal Goo Scepter range from 700 to 750
    * Level 15 Talent from +20 Movement Speed to +4 Max Goo Stacks
    * Level 20 Talent from -30s Respawn Time to -35s
    * Level 25 Talent from +4 Max Goo Stacks to +20 Quill Stack Damage

    Broodmother:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15% XP Gain to +25%
    * Level 10 Talent from +10 Agility to +60 Spawn Spiderling Damage
    * Level 15 Talent from +7 Armor to +250 Health
    * Level 20 Talent from +300 Health to +8 Spiders Attack Damage

    Centaur:
    * Level 10 Talent from +30 Damage to +35

    Chaos Knight:
    * Level 10 Talent from +7 Intelligence to +8
    * Level 15 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +20

    Chen:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +25
    * Level 15 Talent from +25% Spell Amplification to -10s Test of Faith Cooldown
    * Level 15 Talent from +200 Health to +250

    Clinkz:
    * Level 15 Talent from +12 Strength to +15

    Clockwerk:
    * Level 15 Talent from +40 Damage to +50
    * Level 15 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +75 Rocket Flare Damage

    Crystal Maiden:
    * Level 10 Talent from +50 Damage to +60
    * Level 15 Talent from +200 Health to +250
    * Level 25 Talent from +200 Crystal Nova Damage to +250

    Dark Seer:
    * Movement speed reduced from 300 to 295
    * Ion Shell manacost from 70/90/110/130 to 100/110/120/130
    * Level 15 Talent from +90 Damage to +120
    * Level 20 Talent from +25 Intelligence to +75 Vacuum AoE
    * Level 20 Talent from +12 Strength to +10% Cooldown Reduction
    * Level 25 Talent from +12% Cooldown Reduction to +25 Strength
    * Level 25 Talent from +70 Ion Shell Damage to +80

    Dazzle:
    * Level 15 Talent from +40 Damage to +60

    Death Prophet:
    * Level 10 Talent from +7 Strength to +8% Magic Resistance
    * Level 15 Talent from +8% Magic Resistance to -1s Crypt Swarm Cooldown
    * Level 15 Talent from +75 Cast Range to +100

    Disruptor:
    * Level 15 Talent from +200 Health to -3s Kinetic Field Cooldown
    * Level 20 Talent from 15% Cooldown Reduction to +400 Health

    Doom:
    * Level 10 Talent from +8 Intelligence to +80 Devour Bonus Gold
    * Level 10 Talent from +150 Health to +250
    * Level 15 Talent from +6 Armor to +15 Scorched Earth Damage/Heal
    * Level 15 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +20
    * Level 20 Talent from +65 Damage to +35 Doom DPS

    Dragon Knight:
    * Level 10 Talent from +6 Strength to 7
    * Level 15 Talent from +25% XP Gain to +35%
    * Level 25 Talent from +50 Movement Speed to +60

    Drow:
    * Level 25 Talent from +350 Gust Distance/Knockback to +400

    Earth Spirit:
    * Level 25 Talent from -35s Respawn Time to -45s

    Earthshaker:
    * Base HP regen from 0.25 to 0.75
    * Level 20 Talent from +10% Spell Amplification to +40 Echo Damage
    * Level 25 Talent from +500 Health to +600 Health

    Elder Titan:
    * Natural Order AoE from 325 to 350
    * Level 15 Talent from +25% XP Gain to +30 Echo Stomp Damage
    * Level 25 Talent from +80 Astral Spirit Hero Attack to +100

    Ember Spirit:
    * Root now disables Activate Fire Remnant
    * Level 10 Talent from 15% Spell Amplification to 12%

    Enchantress:
    * Level 10 Talent from +5 All Stats to +6
    * Level 10 Talent from +20 Movement Speed to +25
    * Level 15 Talent from +40 Damage to +50
    * Level 15 Talent from +8s Nature's Attendants Duration to +10
    * Level 20 Talent from -30s Respawn Time to +60 Untouchable Slow
    * Level 25 Talent from +25 Intelligence to -50 Respawn Time
    * Level 25 Talent from +10 Nature's Attendants Wisps to +12

    Enigma:
    * Level 20 Talent from -30s Respawn Time to -40s

    Faceless Void:
    * Level 10 Talent from +5 Strength to +7

    Gyrocopter
    * Level 10 Talent from +150 Health to +200
    * Level 15 Talent from +10% Magic Resistance to +12%
    * Level 20 Talent from +25 Movement Speed to +35

    Huskar:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +5 Burning Spears DPS
    * Level 10 Talent from +150 Health to +175

    Invoker:
    * Level 15 Talent from +25% XP Gain to +30%
    * Level 25 Talent from -15s Tornado Cooldown to -18s

    Io:
    * Level 25 Talent from -40s Respawn Time to -50s

    Jakiro:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15% XP Gain to +20%
    * Level 15 Talent from +250 Health to +25 Dual Breath Burn Damage

    Juggernaut:
    * Healing Ward now has a 25 gold bounty
    * Level 10 Talent from +150 Health to +175 Health
    * Level 15 Talent from +6 Armor to 7

    Keeper of the Light:
    * Level 10 Talent from +6 Strength to +7
    * Level 25 Talent from +300 Cast Range to +400

    Kunkka:
    * Tidebringer Cleave Distance from 675/750/825/900 to 650/800/950/1100
    * Tidebringer Cleave Radius from 450/500/550/600 to 500/550/600/650
    * Level 10 Talent from +150 Mana to +40 Torrent Damage
    * Level 10 Talent from +20 Damage to +25
    * Level 25 Talent from +25% Magic Resistance to +35%

    Legion Commander:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15% XP Gain to +20%

    Leshrac:
    * Level 15 Talent from +8% Magic Resistance to +10%
    * Level 20 Talent from +12 Strength to +15

    Lich:
    * Level 15 Talent from +100 Cast Range to +125
    * Level 15 Talent from +5 All Stats to -3s Frost Blast Cooldown
    * Level 25 Talent from +25 Frost Armor Structure Armor to +35

    Lifestealer:
    * Level 15 Talent from +200 Health to +250

    Lina:
    * Level 10 Talent from +20 Damage to -25s Respawn Time
    * Level 10 Talent from +250 Mana to +60 Light Strike Array Damage
    * Level 15 Talent from -30s Respawn Time to +40 Damage

    Lion:
    * Level 10 Talent from 175 Health to -25s Respawn Time
    * Level 15 Talent from -30s Respawn Time to +80 Earth Spike Damage

    Lone Druid:
    * Level 10 Talent from +200 Attack Range to +175
    * Level 15 Talent from +65 Damage to +55
    * Level 20 Talent from +7 Spirit Bear Armor to +12
    * Level 20 Talent from -50s Respawn Time to -40s

    Luna:
    * Base attack damage reduced by 6
    * Lunar Blessing Night Vision bonus from 1000 to 250/500/750/1000
    * Level 10 Talent from +4 Armor to +15 Movement Speed

    Lycan:
    * Added to CM
    * Agility gain from 1.5 to 1.0
    * Howl manacost from 30 to 40
    * Level 15 Talent from -20s Respawn Time to -25s

    Magnus:
    * Level 15 Talent from +50 Damage to +12 Strength
    * Level 20 Talent from +15 Strength to +15% Empower Damage/Cleave
    * Level 20 Talent from +20 Movement to +40

    Medusa:
    * Level 10 Talent from +10 Intelligence to +12
    * Level 15 Talent from 10% Evasion to 15%
    * Level 20 Talent from +15 Agility to +1 Split Shot target
    * Level 20 Talent from +500 Mana to +600

    Meepo:
    * Base armor reduced by 2
    * Level 15 Talent from +20 Movement Speed to +25

    Mirana:
    * Level 20 Talent from +8 Armor to -4s Sacred Arrow cooldown
    * Level 20 Talent from +40 Damage to +50 Damage

    Monkey King:
    * Base armor reduced by 3
    * Jingu Mastery bonus damage from 80/120/160/200 to 75/100/125/150
    * Jingu Mastery lifesteal from 20/30/40/50% to 15/30/45/60%
    * Wukong's Command no longer continues while reincarnating
    * Level 15 Talent from +20 Movement Speed to +75 Jingu Mastery Damage
    * Level 20 Talent from +15 Strength to 20% Magic Resistance
    * Level 25 Talent from +25% Magic Resistance to +25 Strength

    Morphling:
    * Level 25 Talent from +30% Replicate Damage to +50%

    Naga Siren:
    * Level 15 Talent from 15% Evasion to -3s Ensnare Cooldown

    Nature's Prophet:
    * Level 10 Talent from +20 Damage to +30
    * Level 10 Talent from +175 Health to +225 Health
    * Level 20 Talent from +8 Armor to +10

    Necrophos:
    * Agility gain from 1.7 to 1.2
    * Movement speed from 290 to 285
    * Level 15 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +20

    Night Stalker:
    * Level 25 Talent from -6s Crippling Fear Cooldown to -8s

    Nyx Assassin:
    * Level 15 Talent from +10 Strength to +50 Impale Damage
    * Level 15 Talent from +25 Agility to +12% Magic Resistance
    * Level 20 Talent from +15% Magic Resistance to +40 Agility

    Ogre Magi:
    * Intelligence growth from 2.4 to 2.0
    * Level 15 Talent from +40 Damage to +50

    Omniknight:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15% XP Gain to +20%

    Oracle:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15% XP Gain to +20%

    Outworld Devourer:
    * Level 20 Talent from +250 Health to +275 Health

    Phantom Assassin:
    * Level 15 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +20

    Phantom Lancer:
    * Level 10 Talent from +150 Health to +75 Spirit Lance Damage

    Phoenix:
    * Level 15 Talent from +12 Strength to +50 Fire Spirits DPS

    Puck:
    * Level 10 Talent from +150 Health to +175
    * Level 15 Talent from +20 Movement Speed to +15% Magic Resistance
    * Level 20 Talent from +20% Magic Resistance to -3s Waning Rift Cooldown
    * Level 20 Talent from +8% Spell Amplification to +10%

    Pudge:
    * Movement Speed reduced from 285 to 280
    * Fixed Meat Hook sometimes landing the target behind your hero (requiring you to sometimes turn to dismember)
    * Level 20 Talent from -35s Respawn Time to -40s

    Pugna:
    * Level 15 Talent from +10 Strength to +12
    * Level 20 Talent from +10 All Stats to +0.5 Netherward Damage Per Mana
    * Level 20 Talent from +100 Cast Range to +150
    * Level 25 Talent from +100 Nether Blast Damage to +125

    Queen of Pain:
    * Level 10 Talent from +5 Strength to +6
    * Level 25 Talent from +35 Intelligence to -3s Shadow Strike Cooldown

    Razor:
    * Level 15 Talent from +5 Armor to +130 Unstable Current Damage
    * Level 20 Talent from +250 Health to +275

    Riki:
    * Level 15 Talent from +20% XP Gain to +30%

    Rubick:
    * Level 10 Talent from +50 Damage to +60

    Sand King:
    * Level 10 Talent from +200 Mana to +10% Magic Resistance
    * Level 15 Talent from +12% Magic Resistance to +50 Sand Storm DPS
    * Level 15 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to -30s Respawn Time

    Shadow Demon:
    * Disruption illusion damage taken from 200% to 300%
    * Level 25 Talent from -1s Shadow Poison Cooldown to -6s Soul Catcher Cooldown

    Shadow Fiend:
    * Level 20 Talent from 15% Evasion to 15% Lifesteal

    Shadow Shaman:
    * Level 15 Talent from +20% XP Gain to 30%

    Silencer:
    * Level 25 Talent from +20% Curse Slow to +25%

    Skywrath Mage:
    * Level 15 Talent from +50 Damage to +75
    * Level 15 Talent from +60 Gold/Min to +90

    Slardar:
    * Slithereen Crush stun duration from 1.6/1.9/2.2/2.5 to 1.5/1.75/2/2.25
    * Level 15 Talent from +200 Health to +225

    Slark:
    * Movement speed reduced from 305 to 300
    * Level 15 Talent from +10 Strength to +15
    * Level 20 Talent from +250 Health to +10% Cooldown Reduction

    Sniper:
    * Level 10 Talent from +4 Mana Regen to +5

    Spectre:
    * Level 20 Talent from +12 Strength to +15

    Spirit Breaker:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +20

    Storm Spirit:
    * Level 15 Talent from +175 Health to +200
    * Level 20 Talent from +7 Armor to +8

    Sven:
    * Level 25 Talent from -5s Storm Hammer Cooldown to -6s

    Techies :
    * Proximity Mines bounty increased from 30 to 50
    * Level 15 Talent from +25% XP Gain to +30%
    * Level 25 Talent from +25% Cooldown Reduction to +20%

    Templar Assassin:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +20
    * Level 20 Talent from +250 Health to +275

    Terrorblade:
    * Level 15 Talent from +175 Health to +200
    * Level 20 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +25

    Tidehunter:
    * Level 15 Talent from +30% XP Gain to +35%
    * Level 25 Talent from -5 Gush Armor to -6

    Timbersaw:
    * Level 10 Talent from +10% XP Gain to +20%
    * Level 15 Talent from +15 Intelligence to +20
    * Level 20 Talent from +125 Cast Range to +150

    Tinker:
    * Level 10 Talent from +5 Armor to +6
    * Level 15 Talent from +200 Health to +225 Health

    Tiny:
    * Level 10 Talent from +10 Intelligence to +12
    * Level 15 Talent from +15 Movement Speed to +20

    Treant Protector
    * Leech Seed slow from 28% to 22/24/26/28%
    * Nature's Guise Bash duration from 0.7/1.2/1.7/2.2 to 0.4/1.0/1.6/2.2
    * Nature's Guise movement bonus from 16/22/28/34% to 10/18/26/34%
    * Level 20 Talent from +65 Damage to +90

    Troll Warlord:
    * Level 10 Talent from +6 Strength to +7
    * Level 20 Talent from +300 Health to +350

    Tusk:
    * Level 10 Talent from +20% XP Gain to +35%
    * Level 10 Talent from +30 Damage to +35
    * Level 15 Talent from +15 Strength to +150 Snowball Damage
    * Level 20 Talent from +10% Magic Resistance to +12%
    * Level 25 Talent from +500 Health to +700

    Underlord:
    * Movement speed reduced from 305 to 290
    * Atrophy Aura Damage Reduction from 10/20/30/40% to 4/16/28/40%
    * Level 15 Talent from +200 Health to +35 Movement Speed
    * Level 20 Talent from +100 Cast Range to +125
    * Level 20 Talent from +50 Attack Speed to +60

    Undying:
    * Level 15 Talent from +30% XP Gain to +35%
    * Level 20 Talent from +20 Movement Speed to +25
    * Level 20 Talent from +10 All Stats to +50 Tombstone Zombie Damage
    * Level 25 Talent from +40 Tombstone Zombie Damage to -2s Decay Cooldown
    * Level 25 Talent from +12 Armor to +15

    Ursa:
    * Level 10 Talent from +8% Magic Resistance to +10%

    Vengeful Spirit:
    * Level 20 Talent from +20 Movement Speed to +35
    * Level 20 Talent from +50 Damage to +65

    Venomancer:
    * Level 15 Talent from +175 Health to +200

    Viper:
    * Level 10 Talent from +125 Health to +150

    Visage:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15% XP Gain to +25%
    * Level 10 Talent from +60 Gold/Min to +90
    * Level 20 Talent from -30s Respawn Time to -40s
    * Level 20 Talent from +250 Health to +300

    Warlock:
    * Level 10 Talent from +15% XP Gain to +20%
    * Level 15 Talent from +20 Movement Speed to -4s Shadow Word Cooldown
    * Level 15 Talent from +125 Cast Range to +150

    Weaver:
    * Base damage reduced by 2
    * The Swarm damage from 20 to 14/16/18/20
    * Level 25 Talent from +20% Magic Resistance to +25%

    Windranger:
    * Powershot damage from 120/220/320/420 to 180/260/340/420
    * Powershot cooldown from 9 to 12/11/10/9
    * Windrun slow AoE from 300 to 325
    * Windrun manacost from 100 to 75
    * Level 10 Talent from +15 Damage to +25% Windrun Slow
    * Level 15 Talent from +16 Intelligence to +20 Intelligence
    * Level 15 Talent from +200 Health to +40 Movement Speed
    * Level 20 Talent from +12% Magic Resistance to +20%
    * Level 20 Talent from +12% Spell Amplification to +15%
    * Level 25 Talent from -5s Powershot Cooldown to -6s

    Winter Wyvern:
    * Level 10 Talent from +5 Strength to +6

    Witch Doctor:
    * Level 10 Talent from +20% XP Gain to +25%
    * Level 15 Talent from +75 Damage to +90
    * Level 15 Talent from -35s Respawn Time to -40s

    Wraith King:
    * Level 10 Talent from +8 Intelligence to +10
    * Level 15 Talent from +200 Health to +50 Wraithfire Blast DPS

    Zeus:
    * Scepter strike interval from 2.5 to 2.25
    * Scepter cooldown from 50 to 40 seconds
    * Scepter duration from 50 to 40 seconds
    * Level 10 Talent from +150 Health to +175

    quity

      windranger is back bby

      faw

        ember dead, windranger still shti and ld still okay SEESMGOOD

        Story Time

          Luna nerfed a bit, but slark is buffed - really?

          Rab

            They removed chen +25% spell amp im done

            Héḱmō

              doom playable again?

              ILC - Lethal Ninja

                Really Riki 30% XP gain? Who the hell needs this

                Rocket

                  Seems a bit unnecessary to nerf meepo armor and dragon lance...rip

                  dunce

                    I beat rab8 in 1v1

                    one syllable anglo-saxon

                      brew is 3 times the hero he was since his last nerf in 6.81(i think?) and still nobody picks him and nobody probably will ROFL

                      Player 123655765

                        no more BM qop

                        all role player

                          Well NC buff to kunkka Times to play carry kunkka again

                          Pale Mannie

                            I'll give 'em hell with thos Doom buffs

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                              I like this shit

                              Radagon

                                They fucking hate meepo ffs

                                Cpt.Trance

                                  WR is back! hell Im happy with that alot!

                                  菊花之茶

                                    need to play Wind Ranger as a high mobility support

                                    Irithyll

                                      Bristleback Solar Crest legit -30 armor reduction

                                      天火

                                        Damn, gotta start buying Arcanes on Sand King...

                                        oof

                                          real question is, do soul catchers stack on themselves?

                                          Shikanoko Noko

                                            just small buff on ursa and small nerf on sladar

                                            Dikson

                                              @Spazsky: -30 Armor Reduction would actually mean 30 Armor buff.

                                              dunce

                                                Wouldn't say ember is ded tho

                                                casual gamer

                                                  180 damage lvl 1?

                                                  isnt that the highest lvl 1 nuke in the game that isnt spin/edict type shit?

                                                  casual gamer

                                                    tinker unchanged and timber buffed seems goooood

                                                    cm more damage

                                                    arin

                                                      i believe that brew will be buffed and buffed to the point where he's insanely broken

                                                      GRANT MACDONALD

                                                        Brood!!

                                                        Tomicent of Scarlet Aeonia

                                                          ^ yep, I agree with arin, brew seems to be really broken now.

                                                          菊花之茶

                                                            CM damage good for deward

                                                            Fee Too Pee

                                                              HUSKAR + 5 BURNING SPEAR DPS LVL 10? ONE MORE LEVEL IN BURNING SPEAR POGCHAMP

                                                              9'Mill

                                                                RIP Meepo

                                                                -YaphetS

                                                                  there goes my 13 wins out of 14 games on Bloodseeker

                                                                  no more crazy dmg and crazy hp all ot once you have to choose :(((((((

                                                                  Shou

                                                                    I dont think ember is dead. His talents r still absurdly strong, and some root buff isnt gonna kill him. Root buff didnt stop qop, so i dont see how itll kill ember. And with qop, she loses her broken blademail shit but she still can build right click, and ive seen plenty of qops win before lvl 25 or blademail. It nerfed her late game but then again she can transition to right click for a good late game. To abuse the spell lifesteal u can buy a mid game aghs, and then transition into 3rd or 4th item ac/mjollnir into bloodthorn and shit. Idk doesnt seem like gigantic enough nerfs to kill the heroes, just knock em back, which i like.

                                                                    [Lk].Zano

                                                                      Pudge nerf = -5 movement speed

                                                                      E = Z

                                                                      Shou

                                                                        I wanna see bh, bristle, brood, bloodseeker, puck, and am

                                                                        one syllable anglo-saxon

                                                                          ye actually pudge "nerf" was the worst thing about this patch

                                                                          SalteaJR

                                                                            Enchantress having a heal of 220hp/sec over 22s noone seems to notice it ? 4620 potential heal

                                                                            Chu4Lyfe

                                                                              Anyone have experience with Doom pickers yet?

                                                                              Erase Humanity

                                                                                Icefrog revives forgotten heroes like Ember, QoP, Lycan and LD and again nerfes them into oblivion. What's wrong with Icefrog?

                                                                                GRANT MACDONALD

                                                                                  ^
                                                                                  I realise i am NS crap but 2-0 with lucy so far.

                                                                                  The bonus devour gold with midas makes farming radiance a piece of cake. Once you build a heart and devour the big golem you become more or less unkillable

                                                                                  ILC - Lethal Ninja

                                                                                    Icefrog has forgotten the days he created riki as silent assassin.. keep nerfing riki to make it a lowly pos 3,4,5 heros.. but no matter what happened to riki, I will only play riki. riki forever..

                                                                                    FHigh420HighE

                                                                                      monkey king winrate dropped 4%, nerfed

                                                                                      casual gamer

                                                                                        ty reddit

                                                                                        also my teammate in ranked just told me sny is op, icefrog what have you done

                                                                                        TripleSteal-

                                                                                          @jdf8
                                                                                          timbersaw buffs wont have any impact on the game, cz u r not rly supposed to pick any of the buffed talents
                                                                                          in a weird game scenario one might go for range over spell dmg, but even then the +25 increase is kind of a joke tbh

                                                                                          casual gamer

                                                                                            you dont get the xp gain? thats the only real buff imo

                                                                                            like with tinker they buff his tank talents but im never gong to take those lol

                                                                                            TripleSteal-

                                                                                              xp gain over raw hp? tbh i didnt even consider it to be an actual choice
                                                                                              timbersaw doesnt have any issues with xp gain, and none of his ultimate talents are worth rushing

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                                                                                              casual gamer

                                                                                                i just checked, surprised the hp talent is overwhelmingly favored

                                                                                                i wouldve thought xp acceleration is better because you want lvls asap and you already kill camps and waves real fast

                                                                                                TripleSteal-

                                                                                                  you kill them fast at lvl10 alrdy, just i that it costs u 80 extra mana, the problem is the lack of space

                                                                                                  raw hp is literally top1 target. for u, jountly wi magic resistance, and generally u go for str over whirling death amplification on lvl25 as well, unless you are in some kind of a very weird game scenario

                                                                                                  Shou

                                                                                                    @FightMachine they really rnt nerfed that hard at all. Ur overreacting

                                                                                                    bearcat0611

                                                                                                      most heroes just got buffs to talents that arent picked and the buffs are unlikely to change what gets picked. I felt like qop got nerfed a little too hard, i mean you already took away her new playstyle and then made the other lvl 25 talent much worse. All in all it feels like it wont change that much. The lone druid nerfs are a joke.

                                                                                                      Shou

                                                                                                        Qop isnt dead just not alive. Obv she doesnt go blademail anymore, but ive seen qop win many times before blademail or even before lvl 25. Not to mention that she can still transition to right click and heal with aghs ulti.