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Peekaboo

    Whats the most game losing items you see in your pubs.

    Top tier -
    Radiance rush, Relic into 5 deaths into throned at 20mins
    Battlefury into can't fight, into throned at 20mins

    Putins Price Hike

      if u can lose a game in 20 min it isnt cause u have a bf its cause u went bf. the reason people lose games is they have no game sense and cant change their build to adapt to the current match

      Shou

        Game losing? Its not radiance that lost that game, its the 5 deaths

        RIP

          but relic 1st item can indeed be gamelosing. you can't fight well with it, therefore you lose.

          Potato Marshal

            It's a universal law that whichever team has more midases will automatically lose the game.

            Potato Marshal

              Also SnY sucks dick.

              dunce

                OD aghs

                RIP

                  eksdee i did luna SB Vlads SnY once, seems so gamelosing. but i did the throning at 20 not other way around

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                  Shou

                    I don't mean relic first, that wasn't mentioned. U just said radiance and implied it as ur first major item.

                    I am 322 ! I am NOT DDZ !

                      Mek on poor supports

                      Ceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

                        tinker with all kind of boots :) haha

                        2k indog monkey

                          dagon lul

                          Jay the Bird

                            Mask of madness

                            Président® Salted Butter

                              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2808659532
                              Just now.
                              Someone built fucking tranquils and shadowblade on a fucking Antimage.

                              Jack__Attack

                                2.8k avg last game my troll rushed shadow blade and razor rushed aghs and last pick shadow fiend to jungle?

                                chaeryeong

                                  I once had a game where a viper and my 2 supports went mek lmao.

                                  Jacked

                                    Deso maelstrom and something like mkb. I don't know if such items should ever be bought together

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                                      atos

                                      Beks

                                        make atos great again

                                        tinker first item dagon after blink

                                        Peekaboo

                                          i feel although i should make atos more than i do, everytime i make it, the item feels god tier. However, its super situational when i buy it. That item is dope.

                                          100% dagon tinkers though.

                                          Dagon nyx is also up there for sure

                                          TheMaverick427

                                            I remember having a Sven who rushed battlefury first. We lost

                                            Also, why do people think that MKB is a damage item? I see people getting MKB all the time instead of Daedalus when the enemy has no evasion.

                                            Gargamel

                                              Agha on few heros can be very game losing. Like gyro od and stuff...

                                              4pos pudge/grim only

                                                ^^on a ranged hero it basically means no miss chance, and for right clicker who has no built-in bash, MKB is very nice for stopping TP. and that little proc is kinda nice, so MKB is very good for hero that has very low BAT (flatranger, sniper, jugg) and imo Deadulus only seems fine to the hit-and-run hero like sven, kunkka, weaver, and such.

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                                                pls be patient very noob ...

                                                  tinker first item dagon after blink

                                                  I get so triggered so hard when someone first-picks my tinker then does this

                                                  casual gamer

                                                    sange and yasha

                                                    mkb as a dps item

                                                    skipping silver edge after sb

                                                    no echo slark/ buying orchid slark

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                                                    I am 322 ! I am NOT DDZ !

                                                      isnt bashr after sb echo better most times

                                                      Riguma Borusu

                                                        @JDF8: Is orchid really that bad on slark though? I've had games where my friend had to get an early orchid in order to mess with ember, that forced ember to get a manta, but only after he'd died to slark multiple times. IMO, in some games it's pretty good, but highly situational (like when you have to kill people who can get out of your pounce, before they get too big themselves). But I am pretty sure that if you rush it majority of games, it's a game losing choice.

                                                        Dire Wolf

                                                          What? Sange and yasha is fucking amazing. It's just not as good as it used to be. Still, easiest build up in the game, useful on every hero except maybe int ones, move speed, great proc on melee.

                                                          It really depends on the hero which item sucks. Universally I'd say:

                                                          Mask of madness, just a bad item, only good on 1 hero I can think of right now (medusa cus of how shield reduces dmg before amplification).
                                                          Desolator, only core on PA, extremely situational on everyone else. Deso jug or sniper is usually asking to lose.
                                                          Radiance rush, just cus bootless alchs and brown boots only spectres lose when rushing this.
                                                          Linkens rush, it's actually an ok first item on medusa and morph, but pubs farm so fucking slowly they are better off just stopping at perserverance and building a farm item like yasha or something.

                                                          casual gamer

                                                            orchid slark just renders your hero ineffectual 10-15 minutes after you buy it unless you go 25-0

                                                            basher before SE is probably great but id rather have the extra burst cdr and 300 hp in most games

                                                            Peekaboo

                                                              i love SNY however i think the item is alot worse than it once was, now that the silver edge recipee no longer uses the sange, so the sange becomes deadweight lategame. Generally, i'd rather my carry have a yasha + drums, or Dlance + yasha etc than an SNY
                                                              Midgame, it has its uses though.

                                                              casual gamer

                                                                deso sniper ls super legit i believe, sniper you have to be aware of ur timings because you want skadi in a lategame sniper but deso really rekts hero like ls, huskar, AM

                                                                Luxon

                                                                  Not buying lifesteal on Drow

                                                                  Peekaboo

                                                                    While deso sniper is hectic, its still very situational as you're not benifiting from headshot with it, maelstorm is generally better for fighting, however deso is good for sieging, so there is that.

                                                                    casual gamer

                                                                      wat headshot is physical damage sir

                                                                      Dire Wolf

                                                                        The problem with deso sniper is he is such a glass cannon then and just gets wrecked in most pubs as they cannot position correctly. I do deso sniper if I'm way ahead but it's rare and almost every pubber dies too much for it. You need some hp/mobility first like hurricane pike, s&y/manta, silver edge, something.

                                                                        Johnny Rico

                                                                          ^ sniper deso crit, at 20 minutes he is wrecking every enemy.

                                                                          game losing item - Dagon, or buying something instead of buyback lategame

                                                                          casual gamer

                                                                            you usually go pike before deso i believe

                                                                            Peekaboo

                                                                              Headshot is physical yes, but it scales its proc's off of attack speed, so you're getting more damage from attack speed than you would from -armour

                                                                              Dr. Banana

                                                                                Deso maelstrom and something like mkb. I don't know if such items should ever be bought together

                                                                                Actually, deso and maelstrom/mjolnir can be bought together. Deso only fails to proc when maelstrom pocs, and that doesn't matter because deso only refreshes the debuff duration.

                                                                                Dire Wolf

                                                                                  "^ sniper deso crit, at 20 minutes he is wrecking every enemy."

                                                                                  Except for that storm spirit who zip zaps and he can't even hit him and gets vortexed to death cus no bkb. And that spirit breaker who 2 shots him off a charge, bash, ult cus no hp and he can't out run a charge he sees coming cus no mobility items. And the PA who dodges the right clicks and blink strike and crits sniper to death cus he has no hp. And the axe who calls and sniper kills himself on blade mail, legion commander who does the same thing. And the slark who leashes into ult and kills him before it wears off cus sniper has no hp.

                                                                                  Look you can say oh you shouldn't be out of position and get jumped on by those guys but PA and storm can dive a sniper under towers so easily if all he has is deso, treads, crystalis.

                                                                                  If you have a team that will back you up and frontline in team fights deso is a very good purchase, or if enemy has no real gap closers or gankers. Otherwise it's very dubious.

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                                                                                  casual gamer

                                                                                    its not about being behind towers its about using ur teammates as bait and piking the 1 guy smart enough to go on you anyway

                                                                                    Sarllo

                                                                                      theres no bad items, just bad builds..

                                                                                      I3ambi

                                                                                        How has no one has mentioned divine rapier? I feel like that item has thrown the most games by a very large margin.

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                                                                                          carry not buying bkb then gets pick offed then easy lose

                                                                                          Underpowered

                                                                                            fakin rapyra

                                                                                            Mandalorian

                                                                                              For me it's BKB. Everytime i buy it i lose.

                                                                                              I3ambi

                                                                                                ^ your Winrate with Bkb is 53.17%. this is lower then your overall winrate, but not half bad.

                                                                                                arin

                                                                                                  dagon

                                                                                                  i've won a number of games where certain enemy hero trashed whole map in early game so he went for boots dagon in 10th and then he lost terribly