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    Just because nobody opened a topic about it already

    6.88c
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    * Disruption illusion damage taken increased from 150% to 200%
    * Echo Stomped units no longer get targeted by towers or creeps (like nightmare)
    * Echo Stomp damage decreased from 85/110/135/160 to 70/100/130/160
    * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
    * Reactive Armor duration decreased from 14/16/18/20 to 10/13/16/19
    * Gust cooldown increased from 13 to 16/15/14/13
    * Chronosphere cooldown increased from 130/115/100 to 140/125/110
    * False Promise cooldown increased from 90/60/30 to 100/65/30
    * Lina's Base Attack Time improved from 1.7 to 1.6
    * Rupture damage increased from 26/42/60% to 30/45/60%
    * Leshrac's movement speed increased from 320 to 325
    * Living Armor regeneration bonus increased from 4/7/10/13 to 4/8/12/16
    * Stone Form stun delay reduced from 0.85 to 0.55
    * Lane creeps now give 35% of experience when denied by neutrals rather than 20% (normal player denies give 50% experience).

    Stillent

      Thank god for that Echo Stomp change, nothing like being pummeled by creeps and towers while immobilized.

      Execute Order 322

        >Lane creeps now give 35% of experience when denied by neutrals rather than 20% (normal player denies give 50% experience).

        They are slowly recovering offlane playstyle that they have destroyed

        Pale Mannie

          Lina's Base Attack Time improved from 1.7 to 1.6

          LINA IS HARD CARRY NOW

          p2d

            Saw the star storm nerf coming from a mile away

            Seven-

              that starstorm nerf, i thought they were gonna tweak the cd but they actually removed quadruple startstorm

              and good thing they only nerf reactive armor duration, it'd be sad to see the armor/regen revert it to older values

              Seven-

                also lmao, every unpicked guy in TI got buffed

                Illyasviel

                  * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
                  * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
                  * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
                  * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
                  * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
                  * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
                  * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
                  * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
                  * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
                  * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
                  * Starstorm Aghanim upgrade no longer releases a second meteor
                  that was volvo big mistake

                  Murranji

                    Rofl fucking lmao.

                    Yes the reason bloodseeker wasn't getting picked was because rupture was only doing 26% damage at level 1 rather than 30%.

                    The guy is legitimate trolling us at this point. Can't we report him to the police or something and get him replaced?

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                    Mekarazium
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                      Seoulmate

                        time to spam blood offlane

                        Murranji

                          Enjoy your easy losses.

                          casual gamer

                            was oracle super op or some shit?

                            isn't it enough that they removed the stun purging from his ult AND the damage amp on his w?

                            by 6.92 flames can only be cast on allies, fortunes end had no root, just a purge slow, and fate's edict gives only 50% magic resistance

                            Mekarazium
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                              Ziri⋆。°✩ジリ

                                Miranda still needs a nerf this is not enough

                                Final Boss

                                  ty for 10 second cd incresae volvo void is balanced now.

                                  bearcat0611

                                    Mirana is fucking fine. Yeah quad star fall was a little op but your not going to just outright kill anyone with just three so she is fine

                                    Muffinman

                                      Leshrac grew up from being a disco pony to a race horse lmao

                                      Muffinman

                                        I have a bit of a feeling that Lina's bat change is gonna screw up my last hitting for at least a few minutes lol
                                        So used to that dogshit attack animation

                                        Dire Wolf

                                          Rofl they nerfed the top 5 most picked heroes of TI main event. Drow and oracle were 11 and 13th but drow was tied for most banned with IO and ET. It's just a funny patch like completely a reaction to TI.

                                          dunce

                                            Mirana can still dumpster creepwaves instantly

                                            Ramon $anchez(Retired)

                                              mirana didnt get nerf at all !!!! only 8 sec cd on aghanim upgrade wont change any thing

                                              IDK if its message that blood seeker will get so much buff in 6.89 but this little but is so shit its just makes some kid play him and lose damage on his ulti wasnt the problem

                                              Luxon

                                                Joke nerfs and joke buffs. Joke patch and a reminder that we won't be getting a new one until monkey king's release.

                                                Filthy

                                                  My two favorite current heros nerfed . Shame the pros had to do all bad ass with void in ti .

                                                  SirSwirll

                                                    really all they give us is 6.88c, I mean like it is soo pointless

                                                    Muffinman

                                                      I feel like that Chronosphere cooldown increase was undeserved. I mean, is that really why people can't deal with Void properly? Time Walk/dilation is what is frustrating players and realistically, you really can't change those abilities without giving Void - YET ANOTHER REWORK.
                                                      Maybe a 7 second Time Walk instead of a 6, but even then, it seems a bit harsh.

                                                      I love playing Void, but then again, in the 2k bracket, I also hate playing against one just because there is little team co-ordination to keep him locked-down.

                                                      This nerf feels like a totally underserved one to calm the shit-tier bracket rage.

                                                      D the Superior
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                                                        Morondio

                                                          Muffinman, stop writing, 2k trash

                                                          Muffinman

                                                            It surprises me how people forget that they were once '2k trash' themselves.
                                                            :)

                                                            matrice

                                                              i dunno what they wait to remove 10 base damage to void. So he stop being able to contest a lane with 3 level less than opponent carry, while himself having nothing but auto attack.

                                                              That or a global nerf to his skill set utility, so he stop being one of the best offlaner coupled with one of the best carry, with very little change to the draft to play him one role or the other.

                                                              quity

                                                                but I like void how he is :(

                                                                Blackcat || Vick

                                                                  Void is op right now, i felt like they should have decreased lvl 3 chrono duration but cd nerf is still ok. This patch is trying to keep everyone relevent while nerfing the op stuff.

                                                                  Pom Pom 🍕

                                                                    Since all 5 of the unpicked TI heroes were the only ones with buffs, does that mean Wings ruined potential techies buffs by picking him once? That's kinda funny.

                                                                    D
                                                                    D

                                                                      gg mekarazium is buffed

                                                                      Rocket

                                                                        That birdie stun is getting better every patch. Will make stunning fleeing heroes a lot easier.

                                                                        It's like ice frog misses the old drow+visage cheese.

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                                                                        D the Superior
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                                                                          Seven-

                                                                            @Pomikuza

                                                                            I was thinking the same... GIFF TECHIES BUFF NEXT BIG PATCH PLS

                                                                            #MakeTechiesRelevantAgain

                                                                            Preap Sovath

                                                                              Very sad for Oracle. I like him especially Omniknight as enemy side.

                                                                              Soultrap

                                                                                Lina's Base Attack Time improved from 1.7 to 1.6

                                                                                Maelstrom first item now?

                                                                                Rocket

                                                                                  Well the stun isn't the point of the drow strat. I meant that drow was being picked and buffing visage will help bring him back into the game. And he isn't a frail fuck although, yeah, against the popular heroes this patch his Gravekeeper cloak disappear pretty fast...

                                                                                  Reducing the cast time of the stun is pretty big on him though.

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                                                                                    Semen

                                                                                      They changed it so it has a cast time, idk why.

                                                                                      Tsuna-Fro

                                                                                        Im here to see what is the best hero to spam.

                                                                                        Soultrap


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                                                                                          Rocket

                                                                                            When I used the term cast time were you too dumb to understand what I meant or just being difficult?

                                                                                            Murranji

                                                                                              So new Lina build is meant to be treads->oblivion staff->dragon lance->orchid->mjollnir->hurricane pike->skadi->bloodthorn and focus only on right clicking with the chance to maybe land a stun and a weak follow up nuke on a target if needed. She would have to manually cast Lina's starstorm every time its off cooldown to make sure she keeps the stacks up.

                                                                                              6 slotted - bloodthorn, mjollnir, skadi, hurricane pike, boots of travel, situational item (eg BKB, MKB, Linkens, Desolator). Next patch might increase the duration of fiery soul. If it does he clearly wants her to be a right clicking intelligence carry in the style of furion.

                                                                                              Na`Vi.Miracle-

                                                                                                ^meh I think you'll still probably want phase>euls on lina

                                                                                                Mao Xina

                                                                                                  No wonder to see too many braindead comments.

                                                                                                  Pom Pom 🍕

                                                                                                    Lina's always had really good attack speed with her passive, this change just enchants it. I doubt her item builds will change much, outside maybe bloodthorn as a luxury item instead of refresher or hex if the enemy has multiple cores. But that's still questionable with how good agh+refresher is at deleting a bkb carry, and a hex is afterwards with the refresher already (and possibly bkb).

                                                                                                    Lina in drow lineups would be much sweeter now though. So yay for more drow meta.

                                                                                                    Seven-

                                                                                                      but meh, BAT/MS buff on lina and leshrac kinda doesnt matter, especially on lesh who already has 310 MS lol

                                                                                                      reason they werent even picked was because this retarded item called raindrops exists

                                                                                                      but then, its these small buffs that slowly build up that make them more relevant in 2-3 years

                                                                                                      MadBeast

                                                                                                        I agree with matrice he is broken early game and have the strongest late game ulti.
                                                                                                        His only "weakness" is he can't flash farm like Luna, sven, TA.
                                                                                                        The reduction to his ult cooldown do nothing as his main strength is his first and seond spell in mid game.