Normal skill is tough. No supports. No vision . To play in that for every game is crazy and respectable if u don't rage.
to be honest, in Ns people play more for the joy than for the win. I had a game today where we had no wards, no support and to add something I had the worst possible performance on Drow with like one good moment and everyone was like "oh, thanks Drow, well played" (yea we won in the end, but we surely wouldn't have won if someone flamed)...
im pretty sure everybody gets what you mean, but what you're trying to say is pointless
there are no wards in either team. there are no sups in either team. its basically 50:50
the way you talk it sounds like in normal skill you play with a team of normal skills against a team of 4ks with sups and vision etc
I'm saying it takes a patience level that higher skill ppl don't have and it deserves commending since most ppl would rage of wards hit. A 3 stack
Im in Normal skill but im actively trying to get better, but what most "high" skill or "very high" skill understand is that its not so easy supporting in solo queue, if you dont play in a 5 stack you will hardly win games.
Sure you can say make a smurf but I dont want to have a smurf account, I want to get to high skill on this account.
Even people in normal skill buy that stuf..I know that I played with them..some my friendsd are in NS. Actually normal skill is EXACTLY SAME sh*t as low end VHS..meaning anything under 4k. Even under 5k it´s still low skilled...then you realize the truth. :)
I think supporting in normal skill solo que is pretty easy (I have about 60games on supports with above 60% WR) and coupled with fact that other people rarely meet some1 who gives midlaner tangoes+ward, plants sentris if there's riki/bh etc (even on mid to prevent ganks) and keep wards in shop on cooldown with actually placing them on beneficial spots, they will be so grateful... Also if you do some "luxury" for your carries such as stacks, you will instantly get commended plus it's autowin since you can do well just with boots and urn/mek and your carries get all the farm they can imagine while you guard them from ganks by installing vision etc. and then you thank them for actually carrying the game.
I'm pretty terrible supporter with bad habbits when I compare myself to some supports from 4-5k when I spectate those games ) but hey, it's enough for my team to win early game (or at least one lane with maybe one-two ganks on other lines).
You just need to pick supports that either have some sort of farm boost (lich and his xp boost or CM with her jungling skills) or are not that level dependent and/or have insane gank potencial (lion, disruptor, venge). Best supports for ns are those that have big ulti, so you stay relevant through whole game.
NaturalCauzes an hour ago
Im in Normal skill but im actively trying to get better, but what most "high" skill or "very high" skill understand is that its not so easy supporting in solo queue, if you dont play in a 5 stack you will hardly win games.
Sure you can say make a smurf but I dont want to have a smurf account, I want to get to high skill on this account.
Do you realize that it will take TONS of time? I mean. If you are normal skill it is under 3.2k..high skill under 3.7k..so to be actually in VHS you need to get like 500+ points. Good luck even if you are getting better. And actually for me is better solo because you can play what you want..no friend force you to play another role, no friend doesn´t expect some crazy shit and ALSO your friends will talk A LOT. I prefer simple ping or phrase like get back or so...it helps with your gameplay.
I played my girls account from 1.8k to 3k (then got bored) and there are usually too many supports(they play it because they feel it is easier because they can't last hit). I would usually tell them to not have more than 1 support because they had no idea what they where supposed to actually be doing in the game(they think they are supposed to sit in lane and deny). I would show them my 20+ winstreaks and they would listen to me alot of the time and was shocked when I told him that I can just deny the lane creeps alone.
My god u must be suffering.
Ppl at 4k who face 2ble mid or intentional feeders/gameruiners can't even begin to comprehend the tough life of NS people.
"I will commend anyone who doesn't blame a team mate in normal skill cause it takes patience "
^ Only this
However garbage players are everywhere like smurfs,boosted & bought accounts
i'm a >1k player and i get what you mean. I play support from time to time, but get frustrated when my carries don't know how to carry or when to push... And then i end up pushing myself and die. If i don't play support, we have 5 carries in our team, 0 wards, 0 vission. And yeah. The most annoying part. The flaming... If you die once because they dont call missing you're suddenly the noob and start flaming you the entire game because you "fed" the enemy while they're not doing anything better xD
@Heaven two last hits can buy you a ward if there is zero vision it's your own fault. When I was boosting I just got my own wards
Buy ward for yourself even you playing carry. I usually buy ward to ensure my lane are pretty safe. I dont really give a fck about other lane at least when I dont play support.
I wish wards dont take up inventory space xd
I get what OP is trying to say, he meant that its so enraging to realize how horrible the game's quality is, but nevertheless, if youre good enough you should be winning most games
you got wards or not ,ur still the same...its not hard play trough normal to high skill...its gettin harder alltime when u gonna reach very highskill...normal games are so ez .its normal that u not got wards so what...u need buy courier even u play carry..so what...that happens alot..i use to rage alot on my games,and that just me ,im ok with it.
As a smurf that RAREly flames (which loses because of idiot teams), If your stressed... FEED!!
Also Play a carry...
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2436389380
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2429915079
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2181912806
Three Samples of solo carry matches...
EZ games... Noob enemy, and team
I lost some (well many games) cause of team
Despite owning like 14 kills or assists
Actual Account
A friend borrowed this for like 6 months?
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/222502835
Its been a while...
And still no one buying wards or supporting in my real account..
Prefer the chemistry one...
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2435890045
I pick void, see support hero dont support, I go void support.
Wards, courier.
New meta void. LoL
the sniper is last pick tho.
Blame me.
Dat Lina and BH could've been a supp...
Idiots in ns just cant see a Bounty Hunter as a support...
They use default builds...
Also they see a steroid...
Idiots
I don't understand. I play normal skill, but it must be the other side of it. You must be talking about 0k-1.5k MMR matches. I've been bumping around at 2.5k-3.4k and the games have been pretty good - support wise.
There is constantly vision and detection recently. I've not had to flame a support, or ask a random support why he has 3k gold for a while now.
Nobody wants to buy wards for blind people
Nobody wants to heal people who yolo 1v5 without any items
Nobody wants to babysit people who can't farm
Nobody wants to support retards
It's not worth risking to become a support (ESPECIALLY as a solo support uber 6th position ward slave on solo NS pub games) since it's better to pick a carry and 1v9 the entire game without vision rather than trusting some random pinoys that will blame you no matter what, but party MMR is a different thing,it's like your general DOTA2 experience with less mechanical skills overall from everyone
"Dat Lina and BH could've been a supp...
Idiots in ns just cant see a Bounty Hunter as a support...
They use default builds...
Also they see a steroid...
Idiots"
I did pull off great bounty supports in NS. 25% winrate, even with the enemy team feeding track kills. Sometimes even gold can't save people from braindeadness
meh normal skill is too ez for vhs people so this thread is pointless.. been there done that on playing with ns and I had fun since I never lose (im not playing this account recently thus the lose and it is evident anyway).. who needs wards if ur enemy has no map awareness and poor mechanical skill anyway.. and flames there are nothing compared to higher skill brackets since higher skill brackets flames about how u affect THE game while in lower skill they just flame u on how u affect THEIR game
I actually had the opposite experience. In NS people are actually cooperative and games were enjoyable, while when I got to HS, people in my team suddenly started acting like they are on a mission from God to play hard carry.
I barely remember normal skill, cause I literally climbed out of it in under 2 months, from 1.9 to 3.2.
I'm 4.2 now, but dang, I was stuck in 3.2-3.9 range for a long time though, like 10-11 months, maybe a year, so much tilting.
I have to play with my low mmr friends in normal skill, it is brutal, but i cant rage on my low mmr friends - can I? :)
Im ns. I don't play support because I'm a terrible support. I don't remember to get wards. Im not good with positioning. I can't use my items well so the mek I built just sits in my inventory. Past two or three items I have no idea what to get on a support. I just end up dying a lot and having no impact. instead I play carry, which allows me to farm and have an impact in teamfights. I die less because I can turn and fight my opponent. In the end I feel like im actually contributing to my teams effort to win the game instead of sitting on my highground hoping the other team doesn't dive the tower for a quick kill.
@O'really you must not rage on them but, you can haha, it's incredebly how hard it is to them to understand when you say something.
Eg: I say "Don't deward alone in their jungle." two minutes later my friend died alone dewarding in their jungle"
I've had several all support teams before. And there are usually a decent amount of wards. It's also pretty common for someone to complain about someone else buying all the wards.
It is however common for people to not look at the mini-map at all and them blame lack of wards on obvious ganks that anybody else could have seen coming. Warding for people who don't look at the mini-map then put "we need wards" after dying in an area where they had plenty of vision is discouraging to say the least.
High skill bracket has some terrible supports too. They dont buy wards that much, perhaps only in 1st 10 mins of game
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I mean smurfs are a thing but to go through normal skill to get that level 50 xp is crazy. I mean it's rare that u even have a support let alone wards. Just to play through it is one thing but to always be in normal skill. That is a new level of understanding and forgiveness. I will commend anyone who doesn't blame a team mate in normal skill cause it takes patience