i find it easier for me to improve by smurfing, as you encounter other smurfs who are actually better players than the ones i played with on my old 2k main, matches in 2k or below teaches you how to carry 4 retards with near-impossible circumstances, i find 2k ranked matches a little luck based where in you just pray that your teammates are not retarded, meanwhle in smurfing you get a higher chance of getting into a higher mmr and play with decent teammates and actually play the real dota where teamwork comes and strategies are put to use. Also you shouldnt smurf if you arent expereienced enough so you better learn the game mechanics first before you do smurfing, and once you get alteast 3k mmr the real improvement begins, this is just my opinion feel free to criticize me
it's so easy to get into at least 3.5k on a new smurf accs.
For VHS case 1; definite 4K MMR
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/343227557 4.5K solo mmr
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/341281109 4.3K solo mmr
For NS to HS case 2; you will fall within the range of 3.2<x<2.8 experimented with TB without the core built
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/345080503
you could get VHS on the very first match you play for TB if you could follow EE sama's core built meta on youtube regardless of however long it takes for you to complete the match
From what I've learned so far, the trick to get easiest leap to VHS is you need to get the most highest XPM which has to be at least > 700 XPM
This can only be done when you could stomp the enemies real hard, without benefiting nobody but solely yourself.
if you're so much better than your 2k teammates then carrying them alone should be no problem. look at most of your top played heroes as well as your current winrate, it's below 50% meaning that you're having enough positive impact on your games, and that's to be expected when you're the weakest player on your team.
what you're experiencing in your games is better players carrying you in your games where you underperform, and that's why you feel like you're having better games.
@Androgynous nothing but erspective deviation. Zero fragmentation of problem which is how to fall into VHS in the first match itself.
As I've mentioned previously when you could attain to a point you could get that >700 XPM in your main acc.
Like what I could do now with my main acc; as such
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2401024049
That's the time for you to get a smurf acc and easily get that 4k MMR. This right here is my main acc. Started from with 800 MMR. Until then you will just have meaningless smurf accs that wouldn't get you 4k.
im already 4k.
there is no "correct" time to get 4k mmr. if you're already at that skill level then getting there shouldn't be a problem. making a new account and then playing enough games to enable it to play ranked is probably just as much hassle as playing enough games in ranked to get to 4k if you were actually a 4k player, assuming the reason your ranked mmr doesn't reflect your actual skill is because you stopped playing ranked but improved in unranked.
also stop using google translate
hey guys ive been smurfing since 2015 when i get bored of my mmr on my main account it was 3.1 btw but when never i smurf or smthng it just ends with 3.4 or 3.2 how do you guys manage to get a 4k above caliberation??
btw im not done with this calibration 8/10 cause im in low priority pool now my internet is bitching up. i cant get out , 1st game 3.2k ave 2nd game 3.4k what will be the mmr of this account??
@triplesteal- yes man i my bad games are usually because of high ping some of my games that has 20/0/15 what ever is that because my ping is stable, my games that are low kda is usually because of bad latency thats why i cant play good some times a 150ping a day is a heaven for me tbh.
@Androgynous what makes you think I'm on google translate? I can seem to recall not even being on that site without any hindrance. Are you unfamiliar with the nonthreatening traits of deviating from perspective and fragmenting problems?
@Androgynous I'm significantly talking about how one whom is stuck in 2k MMR for the rest of their life could get into the VHS bracket. Someone whom hasn't even been on 4K MMR. Learn the significant difference that I'm wanting to point out You're presumably telling me with your hypothetical assumption that you were 4K you would land in 4K. Anyone could do that, like my blind neighbour, since they've already been there and done that. This ain't rocket science. I'm merely offering guidelines for whom has been stuck on 2k for about 3K matches.
^ U just wrote something u could shorten to 1 sentence, just to show off your sophisticated vocabulary ?
if you're stuck in 2k then you don't belong in 4k. learn the basics of the game first.
and no native speaker talks like that. it's like you used a thesaurus for every word and picked the longest words to seem clever when you're using the words incorrectly.
smurfing is good.. I have a 3.1k mmr that plummeted to 2.3k for which I decided to smurf.. I got 4.2k after and I improved a lot after.. i experimented my abilty by borrowing a 1k acc and I breezed through 1k - 3.5k after with a 80% win rate.. this account is another 1k that im boosting since its way too much fun playing with people worse than u xD too many ez katkas
learn the meaning of the words u r trying to use and the context they fit in b4 actually using them
2.2k MMR, every win is determined by who gets less clueless retards (BUT OF COURSE IF U ARE HIGHER MMR PLAYER YOU WILL WIN ALMOST EVERY MATCH DUH)
Example of what they do:
-Pick support, dont buy courier, stay in lane, never pull, if they pull, KS your last hits, they fail at pulling which results in your lane pushing more.
-Pick carry, die 1 time and feed
-Not speak language of everyone on your team and be horrible
-Pick carry, get 1 core item at 35 mins
-Pick carry, extremely terrible team fight skills,
-Never push after victorious team fights where you killed all enemy carries
-Let enemy carries farm in there face
-Never group up to gank or apply pressure on the map
It's a fucking Joke.
Who ever gets less of these retards in that MMR wins
In my 2k accounts from way back when, I win every single match, but then I lose one every once in a while cause of a complete retard and I abandon n don't play the account for months.
LEARN2PLAYTHEREAREWAYS2LEARNLAZYTARDS
Making a smurf can be equally as terrible, because you are put in unranked matches with more complete retards
basically everyone is retarded till you reach 5k, then when you reach 5k, you still get retards but not as often,
=)
If you make a smurf and get into VHS, then the matches get more competitive and there aren't THAT many retards, but trust, the retardation will find it's path directly to you!
This is inevitable in dota!!
what are u talking about YoloSwag im playing a 2k account and have 90% winrate kappa xD I dont even bother thinking I have a team and win the games solo xD
if you think grinding from 2k to 4k is faster than making a smurf, think about it , it only takes 2-3 weeks to make smurf accounts to 4k if youre good enough meanwhile if you grind your way out of 2k you need pray every before game that your team has brains it will take years of experience before you are good enough and play at a 5k mmr or more level before you can grind your way out of 2k at the same rate of smurfing. OP isnt a 5k mmr player thats why it would probably take a month or more to get out of 2.2k, i prefer smurfing as a better way out of it as it is faster and would hasten your improvement on the game, you wouldnt improve by grinding on 2k games playing solo 1vs9 every game im sure you would learn more if you play the real 5vs5 dota in a higher mmr
^the contradiction is that if you "are good enough", you are not in 2k mmr, and dont need to choose between smurfing or not smurfing to get to 4k mmr.
if you think that u are good enough for 4k mmr, but currently struggle to get to 3k, then you are just mistaking.
well smurfing is way better due to the fact that it only takes 40 games to have 4k mmr simple as that
I respect people who grind their way to their vhs account but y couldnt we give a chance to those who tried for so long but failed to reach vhs? I know that a normal skill scrub can cheat his way to vhs and I want to give him that chance sincd YOLO kappa
Commit to smurf, with this account I get too angry after grinding almost a thousand points close to 2k, sadly more than often you lose games because of your teammates. It sucks losing all the money you paid getting items ect, but my smurf is playing with 2.5 to 3k players and it's much better than my normal account
if you are actually 4k then you don't need to do much grinding so to speak, you'd have a pretty high winrate and be able to win games alone when you're 2000 mmr above the next best player in that match, there is definitely no need for teammates against 2k players. the reason you think teammates are required are because you lack the individual skill to carry games on your own.
if you cannot win games 1v9 against 2k players, players who barely know the basics of the game, how do you expect to win against 3k-4k players who at least have some idea about what they're doing?
@cal
there's a difference between calibrating at 4k and staying 4k, just like how there's a difference between buying a 6k account and actually being a 6k player. and if it's so much better, why are your ranked games still in normal skill
im the guy ur talking about playing 1v9 on 2k since im 4.6k xD so much coincidence kappa
I am a actual 4k player and I played my girls 2k account from 1.8k to 3k it was actually so fucking easy and anyone saying that it is not doable is fucking retarded. If you are struggling it is because you might be a 2.5k player trapped at 2.4k.
thats yhe reason Im telling them to make a smurf.. if they continue to grind in their current mmr they will not learn anything and be stagnant for so long.. not everybody can watch streams/videos etc and games against better players may teach them some things
@cal thats what im trying to point out, the faster way to improve is to make a smurf account and get better in higher mmr, you would grow faster there than trying to 1vs9 every game in 2k mmr until they reach 4k , what would you learn from that? do you think the things you learned from 2k can be applied to 4k? so TL;DR if you want to improve faster go smurf, you wouldnt learn anything from 2k
@androgynous that is if you are a 4k player, but OP here isnt and im sure he is aiming for improvement not for just a number
If you want to improve play your account if you want a higher number without improving you can smurf but please stop the bullshit that you are doing it to improve
? we may have different experiences but smurfing was my salvation.. I became better and tell me otherwise that I didnt improve.. im shitting on my mains mmr bracket after months on vhs and that prove u wrong already
thats the point.. somebody can improve this way but the toll is ruining others games.. im stating that y would op think about others experience if this way he csn improve way better.. sometimes u must think for urself rather than think about anybody else :) hehe
no that is not what I said at all. I said you improved playing dota for months regardless of what account you where on but when you are on a smurf you are ruining other peoples game as well.
i cant say that.. there are people stock at 1k or 2k for years atmost.. i want them to try smurfing for a change if they can learn more but im not saying that im 100% sure since im just stating my experience :) King of low prio also has a point even if our statements contradict kappa no kappa :D
Just buy a new account and jungle axe. Get Midas to boost gpm and xpm. Even if you lose all 10 games you will be 4.5k+
huh stack with some high rank player 1st u will see the different between 2k, 3k, 4k, and so on. 2k player used to be afaird and don't even realize how to control mini map, last hit, objective and bunch of problem. Low 3k don;t know how to catch opportunities and get killed or usually just get kill and no objective. 3k5 to 4k after 4 to 5 mistake they just lose game because pannic . 4k -4k5 most about the pick, all about "pride". >4k5 they start to show some skills.
I think u should spam 1 to 5 heroes which have huge game impact like economy and KDA show u climb really easy.
With smurf u don't even need to get winrate above 50% to get 4k5.
p/s: stack with higher mmr i mean go dual party only
You can't smurf at 2k. The whole point of smurfing is that you're actually good at the game and go to lower games to stomp noobs like you. You can create a new account though, but you'll stay at 2k. Just get better.
Meh, i'm just getting out of the trench the hard way by spamming 1 hero. Don't care if I get 4 retards in my team as long as i get my midlane. If my team has 4 retards, the other one is likely to have 5 so ill just carry the 4 in my team no problem.
Wat triple says is true only if u play dota everyday and committing that time to learn and win the game everyday. Sadly that doesn't happen for 90% 2k players, they don't play that often or have ping issues etc etc due to which they are stuck in 2k.
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Can someone give me an advice if im going to make a smurf account or continue my main account with 2.2k mmr? thanks