General DiscussionWinter wyvern -

I ran a game with bots and did a soul ring wand to arcane, euls, and blink. Try something like that for item progression, but Winter Wyvern can support pretty well.

By the way, Cold Embrace isn't immune from Culling Blade - learned that the hard way from the Axe bot.

of course it isn't, it just makes you immune to physical damage lol

my team threw and i lost my first WW game.

But he is def a good hero. Not that OP though.

and yea. 4-1-1 into 4-4-1 seems best

"By the way, Cold Embrace isn't immune from Culling Blade - learned that the hard way from the Axe bot"

lawl.... you sweet summer child.

Shes definitely weak against blink and heroes with high mobility. I believe she can semi carry but i dont think anyone want to support you if you go semi carry ww unless you play with friends and tell them before hand.

she really cant semi carry. Her stat growth and base stats are abysmal.

http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/winter-wyvern/builds

am i missing something here? 35% of players maxing W first? Seems really obivous that maxing Q first is best... that cooldown reduction and mana reduction.. seems so optimal. Yes the damage from splinter blast is good, but it is reliant on a creep or team fight...

Really? To me it feels like his Q is by far his worst skill. I would take 1 in Q and then max everything else.

50 seconds is often enough to be there for every teamfight and unless maxed you're not going to ever use it more than once a fight, unlike the W which you could end up using upwards of 3-4 times and 340 damage is nothing to sneeze at, especially before the enemy team gets tanky enough that % damage makes a real difference.

if you play her as support
4 1 1
if you play her as mid
1 4 1

other than that you max q and w over e and R at the standard 6 11 and 16

Not able to semi carry?! Statsgain abysmal?! It's fucking 2.1 str 1.9 agi and 3.1 int, that's pretty decent. No wonder you are normal skill / highskill. (aka low 3k trash)

Euls and force staff is where it's at.

I feel she is really trash without force staff or blink.

I find Q and W go hand in hand. Use W to slow them then hit Q and continue the slows from a distance while your carry annihilates them. I definitely don't find WW to be OP or anything because as someone said, stats are abysmal. However I have had a blast playing this hero and I'm doing incredibly well with her. She might be my new go to. I have a pretty low MMR though so maybe its different in more skilled games.

I think 4 1 1 and 1 4 1 are both fine depending on the matchup but if you max the W first you can easily take jungle stacks and get yourself a lot of gold. I feel like you really need a force staff or blink since the mobility is horrible

@blunt Stats = MS, base damage, base armor etc as well. And all of them are terrible.

but skill 3 is really good against LC ulti xD
i just watch my friend troll LC's duel with that xD

etc.?

606HP / 325mana and 425 atksrange / 700 projectile speed.

If she had higher basedamage she would probably be insanely broken. I will give you the MS tho, that one really does suck donkeydick. Considering ww's 3rd spell the 1 armor isn't that bad either.

To sum it all up:
+ Decent statsgain, good base stats, high HP pool, high Manapool.
- 1 armor, low ms, low basedamage

Overall good.