^^ that gets him one kill, if he has BF+MOM+Daedalus (+BkB+boots) and gets the whole team in a chrono (which is hard to do even against potatoes ) then he can get a wipe. its a lot easier to just press R activate refresher and then press R again and haunt in to mop up with specter.
ok here goes.
just skip to the bottom for the game losing stuff. rest is just minor mistakes.
• get q at 2 to remove napalm cos he hit u twice with 6 stacks and twice with 8 stacks, so 280 magic damage, and u could have avoided at least 160 if u purged the napalm stacks before he hit u twice when u had 8 stacks on.
even with essence shift ull still lose out on hit trades vs napalm anyway
1-1-0-0 at 2 gives u best survivability compared to 0-1-1-0, and you dont have to leave the lane for 10s when he stacks napalm on you. if u dont have q then he can kill you not just cos you cant remove napalm, but because u turn too slowly so he can just block ur pounce.
maybe that might have let u get a few extra lh+dns between lvs 2 and 4, although it prob wouldnt have changed the outcome of the game.
• imo you'd be more useful in the 19 min mid fight if u had blink instead of an ulti orb, and u used ur ulti (probably on accident) in the side shop, so u didnt have in the fight. if u had blink + ulti, maybe ur team gets 4 kills if u pounce the viper so that sb charges the visage instead, and then u have blink + pounce if sb charge isnt enough for visage
plus blink helps with ur frequent base trips due to being out of mana.
idk what there is to say about gameplay wise. you don't do dumb shit like get aura as lv 1 cm (ive seen that before), or maybe im just too bad to notice mistakes. i cant really comment on the mid game which ur winning
• this is just me cos im greedy but i get travels often before im 6 slotted so i can farm more and pressure the map. the TB has more mobility cos of travels, but if u get them (instead of ur basher at 30 mins) then u can just stop his pushes. his split pushing is making it so that u cant push after you win fights
• i think u could have gotten melee rax instead of ranged at 35 mins. u got melee 3 mins later anyway, but those 3 mins could have forced the tb to def instead of rat. if the creep equilibrium is in ur favour in all 3 lanes then he can never trade rax.
• u dont need gem, u can give it to a teammate, and just ping where wards are when ur shadow dance is off. may as well get that extra value 30 attack speed and 8 agi. even if u dont get the movement speed from treads, the stats it gives are still good for its cost. not game losing but still, it might be in a different game.
• tb gets top t3 and ranged rax. just let the spirit breaker go for axe, and even if u dont kill him, the axe is useless anyways. u should have tped home as soon as travels came off cd. tb doesnt get tower + rax and u still get melee rax. maybe qop doesnt die as well.
ur travels came off cd the same time tb took the tower, at that time u were killing axe. qop was low but she can still silence tb so that u can kill him, plus u got basher + shadow dance just to make sure he cant sunder
• keeping the lanes pushed back so that tb cant trade is more important than getting rax urself. ur team can always get rax whenever, u have the advantage so the enemy cant really contest. keeping the tb from pushing is more important, cos then you end up taking rax, but the tb cant cos he's forced to sit in base waiting for ur team to come to his base.
• as soon as the tb buys back, u should try to kill him. if u do, u instantly win. which u could definitely do if u had mkb instead of gem, youd kill his illus really fast.
[size=20][color=#ADD8E6]GAME LOSING STUFF[/color][/size]
- tping in front of enemy t4s and cancelled by bird stun
- not suiciding to fountain afterwards and then buying back
- when u were deffing the base u had no mana to use abyssal cos u used ulti at full hp and u pounced away
- the missed pounce means extra ancient dps from tb cos u kill him slower
all these 3 result in huge ancient damage, and the visage just barely killed the ancient, his birds ran out of damage but qop didnt kill him fast enough.
also
- using travels to tp aggressively . slark with blink can get across the map fast anyway
- could have gotten necro 3 before u tped to enemy base
- if u didnt suicide buyback before, this was also another opportunity to do so when axe + viper were chasing u.
some of this stuff i might just be talking out of my arse and i probably dont know shit
it doesnt help that ur qop decides to keep bottle instead of stashing it and keeping treads
instead of shivas she could have gotten aghs to blow up the tb illus every time, or get hex since the team dont have mkbs
and bh thinks hes pieliedie with blink + force
i never thought of that, idk why i skill essence at lvl 2 when im not going for kills but i was under the impression earth spirit wanted to actually do something but he kept saying "sin sobaki idite nahuy spirit break" because he wanted to offlane instead of babysitting
i was eating food so i had paper over my keyboard to not get it dirty so i did a lot of random stuff lel.
i think i could have won with all those mistakes if i bought a divine rapier instead of keeping the shitty gem
do u think my dps would be enough to actually get the enemy throne
in the void vs spectre matchup u should just get a fast mom treads and then just repeatedly go on the spectre when hes farming, push the tier 1s for sure and try getting him a few times while hoping ur offlane doesnt feed
also, essence might be a good skill early game for purely psychological reasons. people think"oh shit oh shit my stats my stats run away run away slark OP slark OP pls have mercy" and are genuinely afraid of you due to that crap 30 second steal :D
it was 3v5. UR qop sucks, ur ES sucks. QOp never got ult til level 9! Orchid, shiva, bkb... pretty conservative build. Sure she just went around KSing. A better build woulda been agh, linken mkb etc...
@concede
I'm 4.1 solo and 3.2 party, how about you? Futile (the person I party with) has 2.8 party. What's ur point. Add me later if you think lying. ATM I'm on mobile and going to sleep soon
@mbp
There's a huge difference between getting Ulti at 8 and getting Ulti at 9, which the qop didn't do. I hope I don't have to explain why
im actually kind of confused myself, why wouldntu get ur ult on qop at 6. even though the mana cost is pretty high if ur at top mana with some sort of stat item (branches null whatever) its a free kill once u hit 6 in most cases
yes let me sacrifice being able to one shot 60-70% of the heros in the game at 5 minutes in cause i need that extra 150 range and 2 seconds cd reduction onmy blink because apparently blink is the most useful skill in the game at that point and who needs to solo kill enemy mids/supports or destroy a safelane with a good rune
ulti+scream=431.25dmg doesnt oneshot people
ult+scream+blink=440 mana (shadowstrike would be another 110 mana)
and im not saying that you shouldnt skill it at level 6 im not playing qop or mid
but it's not really mana efficient even if you get a kill you do what run back to base? or are you conveniently getting a regen rune right after the kill or some shit
and don't tell me it's a safe kill if you could get a kill every time that ult is up and still farm and use blink to avoid dying all game then you'd be playing that hero every game
that hero farms a lot more than most people think he's supposed to
even if you dont skill your ulti people are probably gonna play around it
it's like krob not getting ulti at 6
swarm is a lot more mana efficient and your gonna farm at that point anyway with the difference being that qop doesn't seem to have as good of an alternative and your ultis worse without enough levels in witchcraft anyway
realistically you should probably get that spell at least 9/10 games at 6 i think with the 1/10 usually being a situation were you can get a kill with an extra point in another ability or when you dont have enough mana to cast it any time soon and dont want to go back to base
my input on qop this patch is skilling the ulti at 6 is extremely awful
you don't want to kill people and get streaks because if you die with a streak and high networth, your chances of winning drastically goes down instantly so thats why you max blink and scream before ulti to farm faster
streaks dont give the enemy team a shitton of gold compared to previous patches it's your net worth
so whether you farm heroes or creeps it doesnt really matter
and no i dont deserve 5k im just some autist who spends way too much time reading about dota instead of playing it
i think spectre destroys void because spectre wipes the entire team unless void gets all 5 in a chrono
are you saying that specter killing void after void killed ur team is good trade???????
spec tanks -> dishes a lot of aoe damage -> dies -> buysback -> wins the teambattle
all spectre need to wipe out a team is diffusal lvl 2, manta, refresher and radiance
when refresher is cd, just replace it with heart
thats all lol, well void only needs mask trads and mealstorm so yah. nice
I wouldnt put AM on that list wave
^^ that gets him one kill, if he has BF+MOM+Daedalus (+BkB+boots) and gets the whole team in a chrono (which is hard to do even against potatoes ) then he can get a wipe. its a lot easier to just press R activate refresher and then press R again and haunt in to mop up with specter.
ok here goes.
just skip to the bottom for the game losing stuff. rest is just minor mistakes.
• get q at 2 to remove napalm cos he hit u twice with 6 stacks and twice with 8 stacks, so 280 magic damage, and u could have avoided at least 160 if u purged the napalm stacks before he hit u twice when u had 8 stacks on.
even with essence shift ull still lose out on hit trades vs napalm anyway
1-1-0-0 at 2 gives u best survivability compared to 0-1-1-0, and you dont have to leave the lane for 10s when he stacks napalm on you. if u dont have q then he can kill you not just cos you cant remove napalm, but because u turn too slowly so he can just block ur pounce.
maybe that might have let u get a few extra lh+dns between lvs 2 and 4, although it prob wouldnt have changed the outcome of the game.
• imo you'd be more useful in the 19 min mid fight if u had blink instead of an ulti orb, and u used ur ulti (probably on accident) in the side shop, so u didnt have in the fight. if u had blink + ulti, maybe ur team gets 4 kills if u pounce the viper so that sb charges the visage instead, and then u have blink + pounce if sb charge isnt enough for visage
plus blink helps with ur frequent base trips due to being out of mana.
idk what there is to say about gameplay wise. you don't do dumb shit like get aura as lv 1 cm (ive seen that before), or maybe im just too bad to notice mistakes. i cant really comment on the mid game which ur winning
• this is just me cos im greedy but i get travels often before im 6 slotted so i can farm more and pressure the map. the TB has more mobility cos of travels, but if u get them (instead of ur basher at 30 mins) then u can just stop his pushes. his split pushing is making it so that u cant push after you win fights
• i think u could have gotten melee rax instead of ranged at 35 mins. u got melee 3 mins later anyway, but those 3 mins could have forced the tb to def instead of rat. if the creep equilibrium is in ur favour in all 3 lanes then he can never trade rax.
• u dont need gem, u can give it to a teammate, and just ping where wards are when ur shadow dance is off. may as well get that extra value 30 attack speed and 8 agi. even if u dont get the movement speed from treads, the stats it gives are still good for its cost. not game losing but still, it might be in a different game.
• tb gets top t3 and ranged rax. just let the spirit breaker go for axe, and even if u dont kill him, the axe is useless anyways. u should have tped home as soon as travels came off cd. tb doesnt get tower + rax and u still get melee rax. maybe qop doesnt die as well.
ur travels came off cd the same time tb took the tower, at that time u were killing axe. qop was low but she can still silence tb so that u can kill him, plus u got basher + shadow dance just to make sure he cant sunder
• keeping the lanes pushed back so that tb cant trade is more important than getting rax urself. ur team can always get rax whenever, u have the advantage so the enemy cant really contest. keeping the tb from pushing is more important, cos then you end up taking rax, but the tb cant cos he's forced to sit in base waiting for ur team to come to his base.
• as soon as the tb buys back, u should try to kill him. if u do, u instantly win. which u could definitely do if u had mkb instead of gem, youd kill his illus really fast.
[size=20][color=#ADD8E6]GAME LOSING STUFF[/color][/size]
- tping in front of enemy t4s and cancelled by bird stun
- not suiciding to fountain afterwards and then buying back
- when u were deffing the base u had no mana to use abyssal cos u used ulti at full hp and u pounced away
- the missed pounce means extra ancient dps from tb cos u kill him slower
all these 3 result in huge ancient damage, and the visage just barely killed the ancient, his birds ran out of damage but qop didnt kill him fast enough.
also
- using travels to tp aggressively . slark with blink can get across the map fast anyway
- could have gotten necro 3 before u tped to enemy base
- if u didnt suicide buyback before, this was also another opportunity to do so when axe + viper were chasing u.
some of this stuff i might just be talking out of my arse and i probably dont know shit
it doesnt help that ur qop decides to keep bottle instead of stashing it and keeping treads
instead of shivas she could have gotten aghs to blow up the tb illus every time, or get hex since the team dont have mkbs
and bh thinks hes pieliedie with blink + force
i never thought of that, idk why i skill essence at lvl 2 when im not going for kills but i was under the impression earth spirit wanted to actually do something but he kept saying "sin sobaki idite nahuy spirit break" because he wanted to offlane instead of babysitting
i was eating food so i had paper over my keyboard to not get it dirty so i did a lot of random stuff lel.
i think i could have won with all those mistakes if i bought a divine rapier instead of keeping the shitty gem
do u think my dps would be enough to actually get the enemy throne
in the void vs spectre matchup u should just get a fast mom treads and then just repeatedly go on the spectre when hes farming, push the tier 1s for sure and try getting him a few times while hoping ur offlane doesnt feed
wave confirmed pinoy lol.
also, essence might be a good skill early game for purely psychological reasons. people think"oh shit oh shit my stats my stats run away run away slark OP slark OP pls have mercy" and are genuinely afraid of you due to that crap 30 second steal :D
it's just so dumb how that hero clicks e, w, and manta and then all of a sudden ur t3 buildings are in trouble
im not sure, im not good at judging base races.
in hindsight u could have also sold blink + sange for mask of madness if u wanted to get a divine, that would prob give you the best chance.
getting teams to pick easy heros and aggro tri is also a solution
ez advice: stop being trash.
i know you're trying to bait but it's always a good reminder this is your main account http://www.dotabuff.com/players/119445380
maybe you'll get 5k after your 100th account you autistic piece of shit
Are you posting that account because it's yours?
You seem upset, go use some more sandboxie. Trashcan
Wave responded positively to criticism from someone in normal bracket....
I... um....
ok... cool.
it was 3v5. UR qop sucks, ur ES sucks. QOp never got ult til level 9! Orchid, shiva, bkb... pretty conservative build. Sure she just went around KSing. A better build woulda been agh, linken mkb etc...
Late game FNG's visage stun & TB = ez rax.
@concede
I'm 4.1 solo and 3.2 party, how about you? Futile (the person I party with) has 2.8 party. What's ur point. Add me later if you think lying. ATM I'm on mobile and going to sleep soon
@mbp
There's a huge difference between getting Ulti at 8 and getting Ulti at 9, which the qop didn't do. I hope I don't have to explain why
your mmr wasn't really relevant to the statement... and my point had nothing to do with you.
sleep well.
im actually kind of confused myself, why wouldntu get ur ult on qop at 6. even though the mana cost is pretty high if ur at top mana with some sort of stat item (branches null whatever) its a free kill once u hit 6 in most cases
qop ult is a fucking level 4 carrion swarm with 50 damage more, slightly larger aoe and more than 30 times the cooldown and about twice the manacost
yes let me sacrifice being able to one shot 60-70% of the heros in the game at 5 minutes in cause i need that extra 150 range and 2 seconds cd reduction onmy blink because apparently blink is the most useful skill in the game at that point and who needs to solo kill enemy mids/supports or destroy a safelane with a good rune
1 skill point in blink > 1 free kill
ulti+scream=431.25dmg doesnt oneshot people
ult+scream+blink=440 mana (shadowstrike would be another 110 mana)
and im not saying that you shouldnt skill it at level 6 im not playing qop or mid
but it's not really mana efficient even if you get a kill you do what run back to base? or are you conveniently getting a regen rune right after the kill or some shit
and don't tell me it's a safe kill if you could get a kill every time that ult is up and still farm and use blink to avoid dying all game then you'd be playing that hero every game
that hero farms a lot more than most people think he's supposed to
even if you dont skill your ulti people are probably gonna play around it
it's like krob not getting ulti at 6
swarm is a lot more mana efficient and your gonna farm at that point anyway with the difference being that qop doesn't seem to have as good of an alternative and your ultis worse without enough levels in witchcraft anyway
realistically you should probably get that spell at least 9/10 games at 6 i think with the 1/10 usually being a situation were you can get a kill with an extra point in another ability or when you dont have enough mana to cast it any time soon and dont want to go back to base
wave-sama please sthap been a DIG!
my input on qop this patch is skilling the ulti at 6 is extremely awful
you don't want to kill people and get streaks because if you die with a streak and high networth, your chances of winning drastically goes down instantly so thats why you max blink and scream before ulti to farm faster
streaks dont give the enemy team a shitton of gold compared to previous patches it's your net worth
so whether you farm heroes or creeps it doesnt really matter
looks like somebody didnt read the patch))),