General DiscussionIs ES solo mid is counter pick for tinker now?

isnt es counter to everything mid?

If they know what they're doing

Everything counters tinkers in my games. I haven't seen a tinker winning for quite a while.

Which ES are we talking about? ES, ES or ES?
I actually don't usually have an issue against the former ES, but on occassion ES gives me a bit of bother playing against.

Two games ago I played against ES (the ember) and that was actually auto win.. Only 2.5k mmr though so maybe he just didn't know how to play.

Earth Spirit is harder to player against... can easily get zoned out, but again, I would hardly say he's a counter......

Earth Shaker? Meh..

So yeah, ES, ES and ES are all ineffective in my opinion....

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/9785747

earthshaker dude

friend went from 6k to 6.5 by playing shaker mid.
its strong as fuck. and quite underrated which helps him, since people underestimate it and fuck up.

Earthshaker mid build is 1-2-2-1.

Level 6 you have about 700-800 burst with about 3-4 second of stun. People laugh at it and think its stupid but with the correct build its viable lol. Some 6.5k player made a guide about it recently.

its meant t o be 1-1-3-1

kzz invented es mid

i think it depends on the cast times of the opposing mid or something

earth shaker or earth spirit?

I have seen this mid ES guide by SlashStrike or whatever that guy is and damn, he was talking about it like it's the best shit ever. He was like "you can beat this, you can beat that" but in practice if your enemy has a slight bit of brain that hero can't do much.

lol kzz didnt invent shit

he invented es offlane more like