"You were instructed to remake." No we weren't we were basically forced to cause the other team left and demanded one.
If people like the admin and the team we played against want to host/play a tournament they are welcome to do so in a responsible and grown up manner. This is a competitive game and in competitive games little rules matter as does the conduct of the individuals in game. During the interim of the tournament we acting polite and responsibly when treated with hostility from both the players and the admin we decided to publicly call out this tournament for being trash and client complaint handling choosing the easier "you're all banned" option to trying to solve the issue. The admin was alerted to these issues and is just shriveling out (again) of dealing with a problem.
We live in the real world and people in the real world don't put up with the shit of individuals and take it publicly on a regular basis. The reason for going on about this publicly is here we have someone trying to run a tournament and asking for sponsers while shafting his player base by breaking rules and being an asshat.
I forget who it was but even in the pro-scene on of the tournament organizers behaved like a asshat and was called out by several teams and he had to right a public letter. This is how the real world works. Move out of your Mom's basement and get used to it Sampson.
The real question is, "Did SevenThings ask OP's team if they are okay with a remake? Just giving one team balantly authority to REHOST without asking question is pretty weird almost seem bias as OP first thought.", Just because 1 person DC doesn't mean three people can leave on a team. They shoulda waited for one person to recconect, or close client multiple times. Server is not down since 1 person STILL remain in the old game.
Also how long of a pause before remaking? Was it 2 mintues? 15 minutes? Because as I recall even if you updated dota client you could still reconnect to older games and this was fixed like 6 months ago. If they are forcing you guys to the REMAKE game in say less than 10 mintues after DC it could spell malice on the Creator's part also in being BIASED. Second, did the remake take place and they lose? Because if they did agree to resume from the REMAKE and lost the came clearly, then that's some 'crying' points we should also considered and should be tallied with ban moderator/creator fault too.
One question remained is, was SevenThings in group chat? non-afk? Also clearly I'm seeing WinderDota, fuzzywuzzy and Lumi in chat group too. I would like to see their opinions on this.
Remember that if they didn't post this I think that many arguing points could be left in the dark and also DQ would be solely up to favoritism and misinformation of both parties. As for the DC team... Seriously manners pl0x. You should play this game like a ranked or NA dota league game. You're mannerism in this incident really shows how CHEATING and maniuplative scum you ARE!
I have no oppinion about it, I just heared the oppinion of OA later on. I don't care too much since stuff can't be changed afterwards anyways but for the future I guess a bit more time needs to be invested into making decisions like this. Aaaanyways it's a lot of work for a single person to be spammed by ten million retarded dota players who want something, I know it myself, I managed a similar project once, so I understand SevenThings side too.
So on the summary, shit happens shit will happen again, everywhere, not only in lower skilled leagues and everyone can do only the best possible to avoid stuff like this by feeding the admins information in a mannered and patient way.
If a 8 year old calls me a poopy head I do not get into a shouting match with the 8 year old and cause a scene. Nobody is arguing that the other team where dicks BUT if you did not bring it up and that is your own fault.
>One player disconnected then 3 more left and told us to rejoin lobby.
>We rejoined and told them they couldn't do that and that it was uncool to just dc and demand us to rejoin
>They were super rude (see log) this went on for awhile and eventually an admin was asked in
>Admin basically didn't want to deal with it and told us to just go ahead with the the game
>Admin didn't request a remake the team forced a remake then asked the admin to ok it.
Edit: It was brought to the admins attention because as mentioned before there was neither the time nor the level head to do so but it was mentioned to the admin after the tournament. We never agreed to a remake and were forced to do it. Rules are apparently not rules.
Nobody silenced you from speaking, you left out information that lead to the decision. Why did your team not once mention smoke being a issue to the admin? Or talk about their abusive language? How is it anyone else but your own for not saying these things?
your teammate spoke to him yet never brought it up........You all had the means to contact him about your issue but did not. You contacted him and told him your issue he gave a response to what you told him. You msg'd him through steam to get him in the lobby why could you not msg him through steam to bring up the smoke / abusive language?
If I told my boss I cant make it work because of traffic his response would be different if I told him that I cant make it to work because someone blew up the bridge to work
Read the multiple texts above before making another "my two-cents" post sampson.
The admin left the lobby so we played on without the ability to tell him that they were being rude and he basically shunted our request so reaper spammed a bit. When the admin was asked to join the lobby he never read that "we are being spammed with stfu and join game" guess you and this admin have a lot in common. Not reading things fully.
I don't think you even know what you're talking about cause your correlations are off and having nothing to do with the topic.
Nobody is denying that the other team should have been DQ'd the issue is how you guys handled it.
"Reaper spammed a bit"
do you not realize how completely biases you look?
the admin joined you guys spoke about the remake and since you left out key info the decision was not in your favor. You did not press the issue about the abusive language until you lost the match hours later. If it was a issue you would have brought it up while he was in the lobby or just msg him that "hey you never addressed the issue of the abusive language that we brought up, we have screenshots of them doing things that are against the rules".
I did tell seventhings everything in the party chat, no screenshot but all he had to say was " Do you want to be disqualified" than he just kicked me from the party chat. Saying my team was disqualified because i called him a noob for not even trying to listen to anything we had to tell him. ( We didn't leave out any key info out of it... he didn't want to hear or listen to anyone because he cant handle the tourney alone or he just doesn't care about the teams/players and more about publicity)
Sorry for calling seventhings a noob... horrible idea to call a child a noob. I learned my lesson SORRY. :(
There was no spam bots... spam was about for 1 min on two accounts i wouldn't be that big of a dick to spend so much time sending bots after a very smell tourney and its horrible admins... and it only started once he was threatening to disqualify us and than kicked me out of the chat BEFORE any spam started.
Sorry for w/e I did but seeing my team go through bull shit like that just aint cool sorry...
Fact number 1 other team never even tried to rejoin the game. 30 seconds after drop from game it was an auto " Hey were reloading cya in lobby NOW" They didn't try to rejoin by server IP in Console, I really doubt they even tried to rejoin in dota client...
fact number 2: if you would read the chat info that my team mates posted you will see how my team was only trying to get an admin involve and the other team acted disrespectful and started to insult us and the admin before anything was really said.
fact number 3 : The admin really couldn't give a shit about either team and just wanted to return into his little party chat and continue with the tourney without fixing an ISSUE ( Admin fixes issues in most cases where im from)
>We never asked for them to be disqualified (where did you get this idea from did you forget to read again?)
>Its not ok but after being treated like shit by and admin and players involved people can get frustrated by not being heard.
Had enough of your no-brain comments Sampson I'm going to take my leave from this thread as I think that while certain people could have gone about it better the admin is clearly not ready or capable to handle a tournament and the players and games weren't being moderated properly.
saying things like "it is against the rules and they violated the rules" while you did not say "DQ THEM NOW" there is only one reason why you would bring it up. While I believe they should have been DQ'd coming and saying "we never asked for them to be DQ'd" is complete semantic bullshit.
@Reaper
if you are over the age of 12 and you still have hissy fits and throw a tantrum like that the world will thank me for giving you that :P
SevenThings is inexperienced and terrible at hosting events, his attitude towards DotA2 is way off the mark. If he were more competent, he would have realized that a lot can happen in "a mere 3 seconds" in a game of DotA2. His attitude is awful in handling problems and his solutions are pretty much spontaneous from what I read. Impatient with his judgements that caused a legitimate team to lose without inquiring further facts that would have changed the result.
Although I agree that there were some important facts that were left out when talking to SevenThings about the situation, it does NOT rid the fact that the other team were being immature, impatient bastards who think DotA2 games are one-sided once you get "19-9" or 16-11". SevenThings, you may have a good sense of grammar, spelling, capitalization, and punctuation in what you write, but from what I see, your mental capacity for socializing with the community is as small as a pebble.
You have a terrible "Why should I care?" attitude towards OA*. It may not have been that important to you, but to them, it could have meant a lot. Nothing is what you think it is.
"Pretty much sums up your attitude to moderating your tournament 'This'll be my last response because it's just looking like you're a bunch of children'". Very accurate. You do not bother to resolve this situation, but instead you decide to run out with your tail between your legs. I do not see how OA* members' attitudes resemble anything like "a bunch of children". The only child here is probably you.
If you can't take these critiques and criticisms, then you shouldn't be here nor should you be an admin who hosts events.
That's my take on this situation. Doesn't matter if you read it or not, but it'll sit here.
I'm completely neutral to this situation, and I'll keep my comments short and simple.
SevenThings, you're fucking horrible at dealing with people and life in general. What are you, 12?
Stop acting all high and mighty "bending" your rules at your will, it's just a fucking DOTA tournament. If you can't organise that properly, you have no hope in the real world.
REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER THE FUCKING SITUATION WAS, SMOKE OR NO SMOKE, WIN OR NO WIN, ONE-SIDED OR NOT ONE-SIDED, THE RULES MUST BE FOLLOWED. SIMPLE AS THAT. THEY'RE EVEN YOUR RULES.
Even if steam servers crash, or your internet died, or your house spontaneously combusted, rules are rules. If the other team does not agree to a remake, then it is a default win to them. Simple as that, as the rules say. Are you saying that their fate is sealed because they are 6 kills and a few towers behind? How long have you been playing this game, dumbass?
I'll start by saying there were a lot of issues present at the time of the moderation that needed to be addressed.
The most prominent were threats of disqual coming from the team we were playing against. They were bad-mannering us hard in-game, being disrespectful, and were hurrying to get us DQ'ed. They said we had only a minute left to leave the game and join the new lobby with an admin before they'd submit to have us disqualified. During this time, we were trying to deal with:
-Bad Manners
-Explaining to them that the rules state a remake must be agreed upon or admin-ruled
-Explaining that we were trying to contact an admin to do so.
-Being horribly agitated and trying to communicate with each other in a frustrated manner about what we need to do. They had already left the game, and made a lobby. Keeping the smoke was no longer an option. It's either remake or disqualify them or roll back to a further time, trying to figure all this out and argue with them and deal with the general hot-temper of our opponents made it more complicated than being able to detail every bit of the situation to the admin.
This whole time was spent with them pressing us for time, accusing us of things, and rushing us to get an admin. Grabbing an admin to come moderate something mid-tournament is not a simple thing. Usually they're busy doing stuff, and you can't expect them to be ready at any given moment to tend to your message. We tried to bring him in as promptly as possible, stating that "we need an admin in this room, they've remade the lobby and we don't know if what they're doing is okay."
Taking the time to discuss the smoke situation with the admin then wasn't an option. It was simply to get them into the lobby so things could be handled.
From there, there was little handling. The other team was mostly flinging accusations that we had to respond to and actively working to get us DQ'ed for "wasting time."
To those of you saying "why didn't you explain the smoke situation to him", there were many things to explain to him. The tempers were very high, the opposing team was incredibly hostile, and my team was not in the calmest of minds either. We were told to have ONE and ONLY ONE person speak, and the issue was deemed "resolved" as soon as the roll-back was determined to be only 3 seconds.
The admin then left, we started the game, and immediately had to pause once we verified the smoke had ended.
The enemy team continued to rage at us for pausing again, and we hurriedly tried to contact the admin at this time.
From retro-research, I realized that the smoke was -not- discussed with the admin in private, and that during the pause, for some other reason I can't understand, that information was not able to be presented to him.
From the information that I have, the moderator had no information about this, and I was misinformed in saying that he did earlier and chose to ignore it.
I was wrong.
For that, I apologize.
The actions following the event (spamming social media) was uncalled for and there's no justification for that sort of thing.
I think all three parties (both teams, and admin) are at fault for this, I don't think any of them handled it well, and the aftermath is inexcusable in most ways.
I (personally) think team OA owes an apology for behaving that way, but as it was not an organized action I can't do that on their behalf.
It's made a bad image of this tournament, our team, and things in general, when sometimes just mistakes happen in the midst of things.
I don't condone spitefully spamming social media or the chat or any of that.
I think there was a conflict that needed to be addressed retro-actively, to bring attention to mistakes that were made. Not to damage reputation or tarnish credibility, but to improve quality. And that wasn't done with this thread at all. The smack-talking is unprofessional, from both ends. Damage was done that didn't need to be done, and I think both the credibility of the tournament and of team OA were tarnished by this. I don't think any of that should happened.
The admin did make some mistakes in the conflict resolution, as did team OA, but none of this aftermath was necessary. It's embarrassing that I even have to type this.
I don't believe there were any sinister intentions or acts of shadiness, just a mixture of an honest mistake, miscommunication, and too much tension.
Way more tension than there should have been for an amateur tournament.
So don't let this thread breed any further hatred, please. It's done.
Moon is legit the ONLY member of their team that came in this with a level head, 'bunch of children' is pretty accurate with how they acted. I respect moon for at least saying that his teams actions helped lead to things going wrong.
This admin is a complete moron. His reasoning is "They wanted to use the rulebook to get a win." No, that's not the issue. The issue is the OTHER TEAM acted in a completely unpredictable and illegal fashion. To use that against that team, demanding an immediate win (regardless of 3 seconds and regardless of smoke, regardless of anything in fact), is a common sense thing to do since it punishes the people who trampled all over the rule book and pretended they were admins. If I were an admin, and I heard a team completely ignored the rules, I would disqualify their game immediately. It's just common sense.
You cannot simply disconnect, make a new lobby, and demand the other team join it without any guidance from an admin. That is complete horseshit.
This is the stupidest problem I've ever seen in a dota tournament
of course the team that dc'ed is wrong, just give OA the free win, wtf
how can a team simply leave and not lose the game
Aside from abuse, arguements etc. IT HAS TO BE SAID:
My god this admin really is a fucking idiot.
"They wanted to use the rulebook to get a win."
That's what rules are for. You don't abide by the rules = you get penalised. It's like scoring from offside last minute and then complaining that the other team won because the goal was disallowed because of offside and blaming the rulebook.
so a football team makes 2-0, so in the last 5 minutes of the match their 11 players leave
then the other team has no right to complain because if they do they would be trying to get a free win? wtf
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That's exactly what I meant through copying papasrdl's words of wisdom.
FUCK THIS FUCKING TRASH TOURNAMENT AND ASS AWANNABE FUCKTARD ADMIN
ew got 'nnuff of scum like u running shit
FIND A BRIDGE AND DIE
"You were instructed to remake." No we weren't we were basically forced to cause the other team left and demanded one.
If people like the admin and the team we played against want to host/play a tournament they are welcome to do so in a responsible and grown up manner. This is a competitive game and in competitive games little rules matter as does the conduct of the individuals in game. During the interim of the tournament we acting polite and responsibly when treated with hostility from both the players and the admin we decided to publicly call out this tournament for being trash and client complaint handling choosing the easier "you're all banned" option to trying to solve the issue. The admin was alerted to these issues and is just shriveling out (again) of dealing with a problem.
We live in the real world and people in the real world don't put up with the shit of individuals and take it publicly on a regular basis. The reason for going on about this publicly is here we have someone trying to run a tournament and asking for sponsers while shafting his player base by breaking rules and being an asshat.
I forget who it was but even in the pro-scene on of the tournament organizers behaved like a asshat and was called out by several teams and he had to right a public letter. This is how the real world works. Move out of your Mom's basement and get used to it Sampson.
the avg age of the members on your team has to be like 15 max
No matter the age of the player admins and players in a tournament or competitive game should treat the members with respect.
The kids in this situation were clearly the people on the other team, can someone tell me the name of that team? bunch of assholes.
Anyway i think Havoc is right here, the admin clearly lost his pacience and he shoudnt act like that in ANY circumstances.
People like the other team should be out only for bad behaviour, so simple.
The real question is, "Did SevenThings ask OP's team if they are okay with a remake? Just giving one team balantly authority to REHOST without asking question is pretty weird almost seem bias as OP first thought.", Just because 1 person DC doesn't mean three people can leave on a team. They shoulda waited for one person to recconect, or close client multiple times. Server is not down since 1 person STILL remain in the old game.
Also how long of a pause before remaking? Was it 2 mintues? 15 minutes? Because as I recall even if you updated dota client you could still reconnect to older games and this was fixed like 6 months ago. If they are forcing you guys to the REMAKE game in say less than 10 mintues after DC it could spell malice on the Creator's part also in being BIASED. Second, did the remake take place and they lose? Because if they did agree to resume from the REMAKE and lost the came clearly, then that's some 'crying' points we should also considered and should be tallied with ban moderator/creator fault too.
One question remained is, was SevenThings in group chat? non-afk? Also clearly I'm seeing WinderDota, fuzzywuzzy and Lumi in chat group too. I would like to see their opinions on this.
Remember that if they didn't post this I think that many arguing points could be left in the dark and also DQ would be solely up to favoritism and misinformation of both parties. As for the DC team... Seriously manners pl0x. You should play this game like a ranked or NA dota league game. You're mannerism in this incident really shows how CHEATING and maniuplative scum you ARE!
I have no oppinion about it, I just heared the oppinion of OA later on. I don't care too much since stuff can't be changed afterwards anyways but for the future I guess a bit more time needs to be invested into making decisions like this. Aaaanyways it's a lot of work for a single person to be spammed by ten million retarded dota players who want something, I know it myself, I managed a similar project once, so I understand SevenThings side too.
So on the summary, shit happens shit will happen again, everywhere, not only in lower skilled leagues and everyone can do only the best possible to avoid stuff like this by feeding the admins information in a mannered and patient way.
Oh and the Dc team are known retards
If a 8 year old calls me a poopy head I do not get into a shouting match with the 8 year old and cause a scene. Nobody is arguing that the other team where dicks BUT if you did not bring it up and that is your own fault.
>One player disconnected then 3 more left and told us to rejoin lobby.
>We rejoined and told them they couldn't do that and that it was uncool to just dc and demand us to rejoin
>They were super rude (see log) this went on for awhile and eventually an admin was asked in
>Admin basically didn't want to deal with it and told us to just go ahead with the the game
>Admin didn't request a remake the team forced a remake then asked the admin to ok it.
Edit: It was brought to the admins attention because as mentioned before there was neither the time nor the level head to do so but it was mentioned to the admin after the tournament. We never agreed to a remake and were forced to do it. Rules are apparently not rules.
Nobody silenced you from speaking, you left out information that lead to the decision. Why did your team not once mention smoke being a issue to the admin? Or talk about their abusive language? How is it anyone else but your own for not saying these things?
The admin never gave the time or the condition but joined the lobby and said remake and left.
>mfw greentext doesn't work
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your teammate spoke to him yet never brought it up........You all had the means to contact him about your issue but did not. You contacted him and told him your issue he gave a response to what you told him. You msg'd him through steam to get him in the lobby why could you not msg him through steam to bring up the smoke / abusive language?
If I told my boss I cant make it work because of traffic his response would be different if I told him that I cant make it to work because someone blew up the bridge to work
Read the multiple texts above before making another "my two-cents" post sampson.
The admin left the lobby so we played on without the ability to tell him that they were being rude and he basically shunted our request so reaper spammed a bit. When the admin was asked to join the lobby he never read that "we are being spammed with stfu and join game" guess you and this admin have a lot in common. Not reading things fully.
I don't think you even know what you're talking about cause your correlations are off and having nothing to do with the topic.
Nobody is denying that the other team should have been DQ'd the issue is how you guys handled it.
"Reaper spammed a bit"
do you not realize how completely biases you look?
the admin joined you guys spoke about the remake and since you left out key info the decision was not in your favor. You did not press the issue about the abusive language until you lost the match hours later. If it was a issue you would have brought it up while he was in the lobby or just msg him that "hey you never addressed the issue of the abusive language that we brought up, we have screenshots of them doing things that are against the rules".
I did tell seventhings everything in the party chat, no screenshot but all he had to say was " Do you want to be disqualified" than he just kicked me from the party chat. Saying my team was disqualified because i called him a noob for not even trying to listen to anything we had to tell him. ( We didn't leave out any key info out of it... he didn't want to hear or listen to anyone because he cant handle the tourney alone or he just doesn't care about the teams/players and more about publicity)
Sorry for calling seventhings a noob... horrible idea to call a child a noob. I learned my lesson SORRY. :(
There was no spam bots... spam was about for 1 min on two accounts i wouldn't be that big of a dick to spend so much time sending bots after a very smell tourney and its horrible admins... and it only started once he was threatening to disqualify us and than kicked me out of the chat BEFORE any spam started.
Sorry for w/e I did but seeing my team go through bull shit like that just aint cool sorry...
you want other teams DQ'd for being disrespectful and insulting but it is ok when you team is disrespectful and insulting?
We didnt want the other team to DQ.
Fact number 1 other team never even tried to rejoin the game. 30 seconds after drop from game it was an auto " Hey were reloading cya in lobby NOW" They didn't try to rejoin by server IP in Console, I really doubt they even tried to rejoin in dota client...
fact number 2: if you would read the chat info that my team mates posted you will see how my team was only trying to get an admin involve and the other team acted disrespectful and started to insult us and the admin before anything was really said.
fact number 3 : The admin really couldn't give a shit about either team and just wanted to return into his little party chat and continue with the tourney without fixing an ISSUE ( Admin fixes issues in most cases where im from)
Sad Sampson has to have his two-cents.
>We never asked for them to be disqualified (where did you get this idea from did you forget to read again?)
>Its not ok but after being treated like shit by and admin and players involved people can get frustrated by not being heard.
Had enough of your no-brain comments Sampson I'm going to take my leave from this thread as I think that while certain people could have gone about it better the admin is clearly not ready or capable to handle a tournament and the players and games weren't being moderated properly.
I'm out.
the issue was the fact you guys lost your smoke gank, you never told them about the smoke therefore the issue could not have been resolved.
And I call bullshit on the "we did not want the other team to DQ'd"
lol hahaha sampson that post just gave me cancer ty...
@Havoc
saying things like "it is against the rules and they violated the rules" while you did not say "DQ THEM NOW" there is only one reason why you would bring it up. While I believe they should have been DQ'd coming and saying "we never asked for them to be DQ'd" is complete semantic bullshit.
@Reaper
if you are over the age of 12 and you still have hissy fits and throw a tantrum like that the world will thank me for giving you that :P
Ignore Sampson he is the local DB troll/Dunning-Kruger kid, prob. suffers from downs, adhd & dyslexia.
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lol what a shit hole of a league
SevenThings is inexperienced and terrible at hosting events, his attitude towards DotA2 is way off the mark. If he were more competent, he would have realized that a lot can happen in "a mere 3 seconds" in a game of DotA2. His attitude is awful in handling problems and his solutions are pretty much spontaneous from what I read. Impatient with his judgements that caused a legitimate team to lose without inquiring further facts that would have changed the result.
Although I agree that there were some important facts that were left out when talking to SevenThings about the situation, it does NOT rid the fact that the other team were being immature, impatient bastards who think DotA2 games are one-sided once you get "19-9" or 16-11". SevenThings, you may have a good sense of grammar, spelling, capitalization, and punctuation in what you write, but from what I see, your mental capacity for socializing with the community is as small as a pebble.
You have a terrible "Why should I care?" attitude towards OA*. It may not have been that important to you, but to them, it could have meant a lot. Nothing is what you think it is.
"Pretty much sums up your attitude to moderating your tournament 'This'll be my last response because it's just looking like you're a bunch of children'". Very accurate. You do not bother to resolve this situation, but instead you decide to run out with your tail between your legs. I do not see how OA* members' attitudes resemble anything like "a bunch of children". The only child here is probably you.
If you can't take these critiques and criticisms, then you shouldn't be here nor should you be an admin who hosts events.
That's my take on this situation. Doesn't matter if you read it or not, but it'll sit here.
I'm completely neutral to this situation, and I'll keep my comments short and simple.
SevenThings, you're fucking horrible at dealing with people and life in general. What are you, 12?
Stop acting all high and mighty "bending" your rules at your will, it's just a fucking DOTA tournament. If you can't organise that properly, you have no hope in the real world.
REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER THE FUCKING SITUATION WAS, SMOKE OR NO SMOKE, WIN OR NO WIN, ONE-SIDED OR NOT ONE-SIDED, THE RULES MUST BE FOLLOWED. SIMPLE AS THAT. THEY'RE EVEN YOUR RULES.
Even if steam servers crash, or your internet died, or your house spontaneously combusted, rules are rules. If the other team does not agree to a remake, then it is a default win to them. Simple as that, as the rules say. Are you saying that their fate is sealed because they are 6 kills and a few towers behind? How long have you been playing this game, dumbass?
Okay.
I'll speak up on the matter now.
I'll start by saying there were a lot of issues present at the time of the moderation that needed to be addressed.
The most prominent were threats of disqual coming from the team we were playing against. They were bad-mannering us hard in-game, being disrespectful, and were hurrying to get us DQ'ed. They said we had only a minute left to leave the game and join the new lobby with an admin before they'd submit to have us disqualified. During this time, we were trying to deal with:
-Bad Manners
-Explaining to them that the rules state a remake must be agreed upon or admin-ruled
-Explaining that we were trying to contact an admin to do so.
-Being horribly agitated and trying to communicate with each other in a frustrated manner about what we need to do. They had already left the game, and made a lobby. Keeping the smoke was no longer an option. It's either remake or disqualify them or roll back to a further time, trying to figure all this out and argue with them and deal with the general hot-temper of our opponents made it more complicated than being able to detail every bit of the situation to the admin.
This whole time was spent with them pressing us for time, accusing us of things, and rushing us to get an admin. Grabbing an admin to come moderate something mid-tournament is not a simple thing. Usually they're busy doing stuff, and you can't expect them to be ready at any given moment to tend to your message. We tried to bring him in as promptly as possible, stating that "we need an admin in this room, they've remade the lobby and we don't know if what they're doing is okay."
Taking the time to discuss the smoke situation with the admin then wasn't an option. It was simply to get them into the lobby so things could be handled.
From there, there was little handling. The other team was mostly flinging accusations that we had to respond to and actively working to get us DQ'ed for "wasting time."
To those of you saying "why didn't you explain the smoke situation to him", there were many things to explain to him. The tempers were very high, the opposing team was incredibly hostile, and my team was not in the calmest of minds either. We were told to have ONE and ONLY ONE person speak, and the issue was deemed "resolved" as soon as the roll-back was determined to be only 3 seconds.
The admin then left, we started the game, and immediately had to pause once we verified the smoke had ended.
The enemy team continued to rage at us for pausing again, and we hurriedly tried to contact the admin at this time.
From retro-research, I realized that the smoke was -not- discussed with the admin in private, and that during the pause, for some other reason I can't understand, that information was not able to be presented to him.
From the information that I have, the moderator had no information about this, and I was misinformed in saying that he did earlier and chose to ignore it.
I was wrong.
For that, I apologize.
The actions following the event (spamming social media) was uncalled for and there's no justification for that sort of thing.
I think all three parties (both teams, and admin) are at fault for this, I don't think any of them handled it well, and the aftermath is inexcusable in most ways.
I (personally) think team OA owes an apology for behaving that way, but as it was not an organized action I can't do that on their behalf.
It's made a bad image of this tournament, our team, and things in general, when sometimes just mistakes happen in the midst of things.
I don't condone spitefully spamming social media or the chat or any of that.
I think there was a conflict that needed to be addressed retro-actively, to bring attention to mistakes that were made. Not to damage reputation or tarnish credibility, but to improve quality. And that wasn't done with this thread at all. The smack-talking is unprofessional, from both ends. Damage was done that didn't need to be done, and I think both the credibility of the tournament and of team OA were tarnished by this. I don't think any of that should happened.
The admin did make some mistakes in the conflict resolution, as did team OA, but none of this aftermath was necessary. It's embarrassing that I even have to type this.
I don't believe there were any sinister intentions or acts of shadiness, just a mixture of an honest mistake, miscommunication, and too much tension.
Way more tension than there should have been for an amateur tournament.
So don't let this thread breed any further hatred, please. It's done.
And... Why is this being solved on dotabuff?
ug. dota at its finest.... community at its finest.
Guys, next time anything happens, just let moon talk, to admins, on forums, anywhere.
bunch of children? the last one i saw using that word is ex-speed gaming manager
who put into wall of shame by Envy and fired from being a manager
Moon is legit the ONLY member of their team that came in this with a level head, 'bunch of children' is pretty accurate with how they acted. I respect moon for at least saying that his teams actions helped lead to things going wrong.
Why do these kids talk about respect when even the title says cheating asshole?
League of dota... League loses my respect after i saw it's name.Like wannabe league of legends
Rip, League of Dota.
This admin is a complete moron. His reasoning is "They wanted to use the rulebook to get a win." No, that's not the issue. The issue is the OTHER TEAM acted in a completely unpredictable and illegal fashion. To use that against that team, demanding an immediate win (regardless of 3 seconds and regardless of smoke, regardless of anything in fact), is a common sense thing to do since it punishes the people who trampled all over the rule book and pretended they were admins. If I were an admin, and I heard a team completely ignored the rules, I would disqualify their game immediately. It's just common sense.
You cannot simply disconnect, make a new lobby, and demand the other team join it without any guidance from an admin. That is complete horseshit.
This is the stupidest problem I've ever seen in a dota tournament
of course the team that dc'ed is wrong, just give OA the free win, wtf
how can a team simply leave and not lose the game
Aside from abuse, arguements etc. IT HAS TO BE SAID:
My god this admin really is a fucking idiot.
"They wanted to use the rulebook to get a win."
That's what rules are for. You don't abide by the rules = you get penalised. It's like scoring from offside last minute and then complaining that the other team won because the goal was disallowed because of offside and blaming the rulebook.
Not sure if this is related but: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1vfeen/didnt_recieve_my_prize_from_league_of_dota/
is this one of those $150 tournaments? lol i make more than that in an hour
wow you do!? well holy shit dude, thank for letting us know.
just one question, how often do you test for std's?
its funny how the admin tried to bend the rules
so a football team makes 2-0, so in the last 5 minutes of the match their 11 players leave
then the other team has no right to complain because if they do they would be trying to get a free win? wtf