@Allu: I don't think making Mana Break not being a UAM such a big difference since this is the main thing holding him back to be really good ultra lategame. You can't get satanic/skadi on him...
Wtf you just say why you cant remove UAM status from it. Buying skadi/satanic would be broken as fuck. A hero who is strong late game but also reach late game 35 min into the game is pretty good imo
Shes stong with follow up after song like disruptor with agha. Otherwise, its still one of the best anti-pushers, splitpushers in the game so yea she is strong tho she doesnt have any steroid besides illus and -armor if you count that
Naga cant manfight? 7 slotted naga (shard) just pops ult, pop illusion, pop manta then rampage. You cant clear this bitch illusion unless she was first pick and you got a core with battlefury+shaker+lesh+lion etc shes a fucking monster late and she doesnt give a fuck about spectre, am, void, gyro. I think only medusa splitshot at 6 slot with rapier can fight her with ulti up.
Edit: talking about carry naga with manta, butter, duffu2, skadi etc not core solitpush with octarine. But even with that shes pretty much the hardest illu carry.
I don't think getting rid of uam is the solution. AM is like Ember, when the things go your way, you can be pretty unstoppable. And the chance of happening this would/should not be that much.
I mean, getting rid of uam means AM can build Satanic and/or Skadi. Skadi means 5 sec 35% slow. And AM has 5 sec Blink already. Blink is the only ability that shouldn't be nerfed ever. So? Satanic can be too big on AM, also. It's not just giving AM a larger item pool, it's making AM unstoppable for sure.
Well prob cuz he loves the hero? I like AM too, but realistically,although I dont think he got buffed other than increased radius on Ulti in ages, thats the idea lf the hero, bad late game, but he reaches it relatively early
I wouldnt mind a buff to his early game to be honest
Can everyone just calm down? I'm not talking about an overbuff here, more like a rework. Take away some of his farmind speed and give him more lane presence & early/mid game. In all previous patches, the strong heroes had lane presence....Not a one dimensional goal...
Self Note: I think I'm having the AM fever again...this is gonna cost me MMR...
@Filthy: I only see AM's with 4th or 5th lowest hero damage in their team...that is sad...
Want to see a real AM? This is one of my matches from last night where I played with a college friend I coach on how to play AM:
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1749582980
my god his animation and bat are so good I missed like my first 5 cs lol
But yeah, he's ridiculously easy this patch. So many people solo offlane shit that can't hurt you. I was vs a tide, who is impossible to kill. That dmg reduction just too much, mana break alone not strong enough and he will man fight you and you'll lose. But he can't stop your free farm, you just weave in and out of the smashes and cs anyway.
Yeah matrice's post early said everything right about why AM seems to be strong this patch. Many magic nukes picked, less disables, popular solo offlaners not strong against him in lane, popular carries also not good against him. In fact if you bring fast pushers like Razor+DP back into popularity again AM would certainly disappear. But I doubt many people would want to see that.
He's a decent carry (and a good situational pick)---- BUT you need to know how to farm effectively on him. If you can't do good farming patterns, your am game will suck.
@Allu: I don't think making Mana Break not being a UAM such a big difference since this is the main thing holding him back to be really good ultra lategame. You can't get satanic/skadi on him...
Wtf you just say why you cant remove UAM status from it. Buying skadi/satanic would be broken as fuck. A hero who is strong late game but also reach late game 35 min into the game is pretty good imo
if it was not an UAM, we would see skadi am 24/7
Isn't naga basically that though? Strong super late game and insane farming speed.
@Pomi: I think Naga isn't that strong in a manfight, but might be wrong since I don't get to see a lot of late-game naga.
Shes stong with follow up after song like disruptor with agha. Otherwise, its still one of the best anti-pushers, splitpushers in the game so yea she is strong tho she doesnt have any steroid besides illus and -armor if you count that
@Skolder
Naga cant manfight? 7 slotted naga (shard) just pops ult, pop illusion, pop manta then rampage. You cant clear this bitch illusion unless she was first pick and you got a core with battlefury+shaker+lesh+lion etc shes a fucking monster late and she doesnt give a fuck about spectre, am, void, gyro. I think only medusa splitshot at 6 slot with rapier can fight her with ulti up.
Edit: talking about carry naga with manta, butter, duffu2, skadi etc not core solitpush with octarine. But even with that shes pretty much the hardest illu carry.
void/pa > am
what is this? 19 6.81?
the only reason i dont flame op is cause he's mid 5k, BUT YOU'RE FUCKING STUPID AM IS FINE AS HE IS, FUCKING STRONG AS HELL TOO
Just get rid of UAM on mana break and his possible items wont be that limited
Get rid of uam and he'll need some kind of nerf maybe lower starting armour or something
I don't think getting rid of uam is the solution. AM is like Ember, when the things go your way, you can be pretty unstoppable. And the chance of happening this would/should not be that much.
I mean, getting rid of uam means AM can build Satanic and/or Skadi. Skadi means 5 sec 35% slow. And AM has 5 sec Blink already. Blink is the only ability that shouldn't be nerfed ever. So? Satanic can be too big on AM, also. It's not just giving AM a larger item pool, it's making AM unstoppable for sure.
am weak? viable like other carries (void/pa)? ti5?
OP is a nub
if this guy is 5k im going to smash the head of a 4 year old girl
Well prob cuz he loves the hero? I like AM too, but realistically,although I dont think he got buffed other than increased radius on Ulti in ages, thats the idea lf the hero, bad late game, but he reaches it relatively early
I wouldnt mind a buff to his early game to be honest
i love mirana, sf and drow and i still don't ask for buff's. It's more, i rather they nerf them so even less people play them
Can everyone just calm down? I'm not talking about an overbuff here, more like a rework. Take away some of his farmind speed and give him more lane presence & early/mid game. In all previous patches, the strong heroes had lane presence....Not a one dimensional goal...
Self Note: I think I'm having the AM fever again...this is gonna cost me MMR...
my Anti Mage say Hello!! http://www.dotabuff.com/players/153554137
unless you get some insane matchup, theres nothing am + pms + ring of health can't get reasonable amount of cs against
@Recovery: I'd rather say hello to your leshrac/storm/pudge tbh...
yu should try the build of my last acc buyer who played am, maxing everything but blink. rly amazing, much potential
unlimited potential
Yes yes... Muahhaha
Am wrecked my ass hole last night several games :(
@Taylor Swift
match?
@Filthy: I only see AM's with 4th or 5th lowest hero damage in their team...that is sad...
Want to see a real AM? This is one of my matches from last night where I played with a college friend I coach on how to play AM:
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1749582980
Fuck it I thinking about dusting off am for a spin myself
my god his animation and bat are so good I missed like my first 5 cs lol
But yeah, he's ridiculously easy this patch. So many people solo offlane shit that can't hurt you. I was vs a tide, who is impossible to kill. That dmg reduction just too much, mana break alone not strong enough and he will man fight you and you'll lose. But he can't stop your free farm, you just weave in and out of the smashes and cs anyway.
@Skolder: I do not mid game: / so I have no storm, lesh, etc ...
Am is like a fucking last hitting God with qb .
@Recovery: It was just a joke meaning you got carried by those heroes, at least that's what the stats say
Yeah matrice's post early said everything right about why AM seems to be strong this patch. Many magic nukes picked, less disables, popular solo offlaners not strong against him in lane, popular carries also not good against him. In fact if you bring fast pushers like Razor+DP back into popularity again AM would certainly disappear. But I doubt many people would want to see that.
vanguard maelstrom vlads am is the only relevant way to play the hero in this meta
OctArine core , bots , refresher , manta , radiance heart ftw
He's a decent carry (and a good situational pick)---- BUT you need to know how to farm effectively on him. If you can't do good farming patterns, your am game will suck.
Sven and CK are the truly underrated carries in doto.