for me its the exact opposite. i basically only build treads/bot because i think pahse/tranq are useless on most heroes
@spunki
u dont play on the heroes that use tranquils and phase boots
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ye kinda. there was a period within the last year when u used to build pt for literally all the heroes including invoker, gyro, duza etc., not the itemization meta changed to its original state, more or less.
even from a carry standpoint, I think I'd rather have phase boots + windlace for good measure. exceptions would be AM, a mid-game active SF, basically a few other semi carry mid heroes that could use the attribute switch and some with built in phase
come to think of it i even build phase on brood and lc
doesnt affect me tho since i mostly play offlaners and supports lel
terrorblade? morph? void? jug?
i prefer treads/bot on all of them. the only hero i'd build phase on is sniper, and even then it depends on the lane.
but i guess its just mostly a matter of taste
@spunki your inventory is literally tp scroll and brown boots, why are you defending treads. Feeder?
idk im building treads at least 70% of the time and im doing good, imo its way better than phase
ofc phase is cool with bladefury/omni but there's more than that
but again its just a matter of how you build your hero and what goals you ahve in ur game. I usually build blink & sny so i got enough ms that the phase boots don't give me anything post 20 min
Terrorblade go for tread only for hp, but it doesn't count, it's an illusion carry.
Tread are awfull on morph, he doesn't have the movespeed to hit, you leave it brown.
Phase boot is better than tread on jugg, FAR better.
Void has bash + chrono + a low cd jump, so yeah tread's better.
It's more or less :
ranged carry/ultra mobile mele carry --> tread
mele carry --> phase boot
With exception of illusion carry +morph + ember, those can go a bit wild.
And depending on your game plan, gyro and luna are great with phase or tread.
Hm, interesting tread, however, dbuff has some stats concerning pt and pb. There you can clearly see great winrate difference between pt and pb on particular heroes (sometimes >3%). The most obvious examples are Sven (PT), jugg (pb), pa (pb), dusa (pb).
you should not go by this logic because it only cares about the items u had in ur inventory by the ned of the game
so you might as well say that you should always buy BoT first item because hey, it got a 70% winrate.
it's irrelevant not because it counts your end items(players usually choose between treads or phase so if it's in ur end inventory u probably went for them when they were relevant) but because it counts matches from potato bracket which form the statistic because there are way more potato bracket matches than any other
Is there a reason some supports will buy the power treads instead of mana boots? I understand why they buy tranquils if they can regen their own mana, but a lot of supports buy power treads when mana would have been more useful to the team.
But matrice, sven, wraith king, dragon knight, drow, those guys almost always build treads and none of them are mobile unless they get blink daggers or shadow blades, which blink is pretty core on sven and wk. So I'm not sure that's a hard and fast rule.
"a lot of supports buy power treads"
then you're playing with idiots. supports dont need attack speed and tread switching efficiency rarely comes into effect because their only source of regen is magic wand most cases whereas mids and some carries will get bottle.
plus supports are often so underlevelled that the extra 50 hp or whatever you'd get from tread switching with wand isn't going to make a difference whether you die or not, and for mana arcanes are far better even if you never use it on your teammates, plus give a bit more speed.
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not a riki player but most are going phase because as a roamer you're going to be moving around the map often and riki's starting speed is shit, with treads ur trading that speed for a marginal dps bonus that in actual games either won't matter or the loss of speed actually ends up losing you attack uptime and therefore dps.
tranquils also can work cos they give you speed and sustain although obviously much worse late cos attacking loses the speed bonus (though it's still 10 more than treads) and u dont have as much damage. i think they're still better than treads though.
maybe in a few games treads are superior to phase but you'd win more games building phase every game than building treads cos phase are better in more situations.
even as a safe lane carry riki which is out of favour right now, phase would stilly be better cos a riki is gonna be looking for solo kills rather than afk farming the entire game
But Treads are exceptionally powerful on Riki as he gains extra damage... And if you don't roam pre-yasha, have slowing items, they will probably be best by far (since you buy Blink Dagger anyway haha)... But that's the thing, most Rikis roam and need cheap MS bonus to get around the map.
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anyway.
i had an ursa buy power treads in my game today :')
treads are great for mana management and situational tankiness.
actually its phase boots which have become irrelevant due to the active nerf. it's a damage item more than anything else...
but yeah, extra 10ms on treads is something i'd like do see.
if treads get a ms buff NO ONE will buy phase, they already got nerfed once. It's fine as is.
Tranquils are very cheap and yet they may be considered as best boots for some heroes... So no I dont think they need to be buffed.
For me every chance-based hero (Jugg, Sniper, Void, PA, Troll) needs PT. Others depend upon the situation
Who the fuck builds treads on troll? And almost no one builds them on jug either, 6.3 million phase boots compared to 300k treads. PA I was surprised, more people are building treads on her than phase, 4.6 million treads to 3.8 million phase. And sniper people still more than double treads, 3.5 to 1.4 million treads to phase. I almost always build phase on sniper and pa.
i only build phase on troll, otherwise everythings treads including juggernaut
so i guess its just a matter of how you play / what you like / your playstyle since i'm doing as well with treads as im doing well with phases on jug
Spunki, in most cases dbuff stats even from 'potato' bracket represent some game logic behind boots choice, just look at the heroes:
Gyro: obvious phases, has only 5 shots from flak to deliver his attack dmg. Attack speed is irrelevant. Also requires movespeed for barrage.
Medusa: also the number of shots is not limited, like in gyros case, needs ms to deliver shots when ppl run away
Ursa, wr, troll- maximum attack speed already
PA - dagger deals dmg based on ur attack dmg + needs ms after phantom strike
Etc
Potato bracket builds most treads . You see less treads on heros like jugger and pa as u move up in mmr .
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to me it kinda feels like it lacks so much movespeed and attack speed for its cost. attribute-switching seems to lack utility now vs phase boots' phase ability and passive regen and bonus movespeed from tranq. what do you think?