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General DiscussionThis match was incredibly hard for me, what items were better?

This match was incredibly hard for me, what items were better? in General Discussion
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    My items are obviously bad, I do have 20 mmrs after all.

    What item progression would have been better against enemy, and why? Thanks.

    https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4556341622

    And I mean 9 slots, in order please. I've gotten to the point where i'm shifting active items between backpack and inventory, it's ridiculous. I'm doing shit i never thought id be able to do years ago and im actuallly losing mmrs haha it's funny bros

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    Player 281121816

      Their strat is insta-lose

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      Potato Marshal

        Rad was a terrible choice, especially that late.

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          Sup guys thanks for response I wanna get better honestly. What instead of radiance ?

          Isipin mo yun TIGER?

            couldve gotten deso
            into mjol or butter or any attack speed item and split push to win, they dont have any lockdown for you, your item is too defensive

            CAESAR KING OF APES

              I would get heart, so I could play ultra offensively without worrying of death. It's also great when you need to push against Tinker. wouldn't get pike on him. It's a wasted slot. Either Daedalus, Diffusal, Bloodthorn or Mjollnir instead.

              Edit. I would actually get bloodthorn+nullifier for Tinker. Gem should be carried by someone else.

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              kk

                Hurricane Pike would have been a better pickup after linkens. Why did you not get a deso after linkens? Also why did you not get boots?

                It seems you rushed a linkens and still got it late with a good game. I'd get treads, linkens, deso, bkb, pike if you need the active, then get a satanic over a heart so you can life steal and then maybe get a butterfly? Or even an aghs to reset your void when he timewalks into a troll

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                  Damn nice progreasion I’ll try it next time I play.

                  I’ve always skipped boots till later since I have shukuchi . Ya I do need actives I use them all now with ease it’s prettyOD tbh

                  Cptn.Canuck

                    Always try to make your first item something that helps you accelerate your other items. For weaver this is most commonly a maelstrom since it increases your wave push and camp farming ability, but if you're in a position to fight early, you can go a mid-tier fighting item like dragon lance, diffusal blade, or desolator and secure your future gold through kills and towers. From there it's pretty game dependent, and in this case I would have looked at BKB, Monkey King Bar, Nullifier, and maybe even a Skadi.

                    I don't think Linkens offers you a ton this game. It keeps you from getting ruptured, but there are a lot of things like Tinker, or Spectre's dagger that will pop your linkens before BS runs at you and gets you anyways. I'd have favored the BKB so that when you do get ruptured, you can stand and fight against the magic damage, then just time lapse when you get low uninterupted.

                    The radiance and Hurricane Pike were basically useless pickups this game I think. You don't need the force staff push on weaver, and the radiance makes very little sense as late as you got it. The only reason weavers used to get radiance was as a first item so they could farm and push waves, but its utility decreases the later in the game you go.

                    Androgynous

                      spectral dagger interaction is weird. no matter what you can't prevent the spell, but it is possible for the spell to waste linkens cooldown if targetted on another hero and it hits weaver, but there's no chance that this 1k spectre knew that and if you're split pushing you'll be on your own where that can't happen.

                      i think if he did go maelstrom the linkens would have been good, since he'd be mostly shoving out lanes. linkens does make a difference between being an easy pick for tinker / bloodseeker and being able to constantly apply pressure imo.

                      i agree with the rest of it though. 50 min radiance is useless, back when people bought it like around TI1 and TI2, geminate attack could not proc on-hit effects (diffusal, crit, maelstrom et cetera) so those items weren't nearly as good as they are now. if he bought the force to get out of the bs silence manta or bkb are better pickups (he also got the mana break talent).

                      his 3 slots on gem + radiance + pike should probably be daedelus / bloodthorn, satanic and a nullifier imo. even though he still has mkb this game vs bfly troll axes and laser i still think bloodthorn + nuliifier is a good combo for picking off people. with how fast u move at 25 it's hard to predict where a weaver can be.

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                        gayboy im about to try ur build thnx again www.twitch.tv/vorsybl say waddup

                        i lost, will try maelstrom next time

                        i think it's safe to say at this point the key to gaining mmr is being really good with the people you pick, i fumbled with the build last weaver game and didn't have an mkb, which is why i couldn't hit the jugg

                        What's the operational definition of being really good with the hero you play?
                        Knowing what to get and do in every situation, only way to do that is to keep playing the same eprson over and over again against different lineups until they start to repeat?

                        Like in poker, theres ~ 140 combinations of hands you can have, the numbers greater in dota obviously but i generally see the same heros over and over again and i bet its the same way across brackets

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                        Jacked

                          I would not get radiance. Linkens is a good choice against tinker and blood. Mkb or daed for dmg. Skadi would’ve been good as well just to prevent getting bursted and kiteable melee heroes on their team.

                          Deso is overrated on weaver. 100% mael is better.

                          Jacked

                            If it’s late game think about getting bloodthorne.

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