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General DiscussionWho stomps huskar mid?

Who stomps huskar mid? in General Discussion
Jack__Attack

    Topic. The rework I feel made this cheese hero even stronger than he already was. Against him is a struggle and with him is a guaranteed win how do you higher bracket people handle him?

    Aimstrong

      monkey king

      Jack__Attack

        I always would have thought that as well, but I've played huskar personally mid against mk twice this patch and I stomped him because of disarm and harrass both times.

        eXcel

          MK loses to Huskar

          Viper beats him, but ew

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          Jack__Attack

            Hadn't tried the viper matchup yet but I suspected it. Thanks! Any other suspects?

            error_macros

              I don't know about STOMPING, but Shadow Fiend works well for me against Huskar, and I'm not a particularly good SF player. Huskar's base damage is not that high which means you can get souls early and deny the shit out of him, and since he has to walk up to you, you can raze and burst him easily. Maybe a good SF player can stomp him.

              Broodmother seems pretty good in theory but I haven't tried it. Pugna could probably pull it off too, and maybe Viper if you keep your distance and control him.

              Cptn.Canuck

                Just look at the way huskar survives right now. Previously he used to mitigate damage the lower he got. Meaning that the more damage you did, the harder it was to do damage.

                Now, huskar replenishes health more the lower he gets. Meaning that it's just as easy to do damage when he's low, you just have to do it quick, or the hp/sec regen will out-pace your harass.

                Also as a sidenote, he now has a disarm, so heroes that rely on attacks to do their damage get dealt with relatively easily. MK being one of those.

                So you want a hero with harass potential, and then burst that can finish him off. Lina comes to mind as the top example, because she outranges him with her autos, and has a 3-spell combo that can do 235 + 80 + 450 damage (minus reductions) in the span of about a second when he's low.

                If necrophos wasn't god awful right now I'd put him in the same category. Good enough attack range to trade, Ghost Shroud to keep him safe, and Reaper's Scythe to finish off huskar when he's low.

                Queen of Pain might make for a good huskar counter now, effectively doing what Lina does. Harassing with dagger and autos until he's low, then dropping a scream + ulti combo.

                My final point though that I would make in regards to this, is that there are some heroes in Dota that you just can't deal with easily in lane. That's just the nature of the game. Timbersaw, Broodmother, Huskar, and other heroes like that are often difficult or impossible in some circumstances to "stomp" in lane. Often the best course of action is to just survive the lane, then organize your team to take their mid game away. Lane kills mean very little in the grand scheme of things, as long as you return them in the mid game when heroes start to accelerate. Sometimes if you're against a huskar, you can just pick a Zeus, or a Pugna, or an SF or Puck and just focus on spamming waves, getting through the first 8 minutes, and just be conscious of stepping up into Life Break range.

                Jack__Attack

                  Thanks for the input. sf is noted.
                  If anyone can confirm the pugna and brood that'd be cool to keep in my pocket as well.

                  Thanks for the input canuck, on a side note since we mentioned pugna. Does the huskar q interrupt channeling spells?

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                  ywn

                    invoker

                    Jack__Attack

                      I seem to have 50/50 results seeing the invoker vs huskar matchup many times.
                      Thanks though ywn I imagine with your skill on invoker you can usually handle it.

                      vygin

                        Well I think viper is good dunno

                        Mungo Time

                          Bone fletcher.

                          But not stomping though

                          This is purely a guess since I haven't seen the matchup, but shouldn't naga do decently?

                          And probably sniper?

                          Can some immortal come down and shed some wisdom

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                          Tr13ce

                            How about arc?

                            Cptn.Canuck

                              Naga is pretty "meh". Yeah her illusion+riptide can be solid, but 1 point in Inner Fire is basically more than enough to deal with her completely, especially considering the cooldown on it is lower than Naga's mirror image. You really need level 4 at minimum before naga is a threat in mid, and by then, huskar should be 1-2-1 and not be at any risk.

                              Clinkz is okay, but then your mid is a clinkz and there's a lot of other holes in your draft you have to fill. Crowd control, tankiness, etc.

                              Arc warden could probably do fine, though I imagine he has a hard time dealing that last bit of damage to kill huskar. His biggest damage dealers are a DoT, and a nuke that takes a second and a half to activate. In that time, huskar can easily regen 100-200 HP, so actually getting that killing blow seems like it may prove difficult, but I haven't played the matchup to say for sure.

                              DC.MASON

                                none of ur ability to burst him down matters when he gets lvl 6 while ure 4 at the best thanks to fucking burning spear spam and his ability to trade 100 of his hp (regenerated in 3 seconds) for 700 of yours

                                '96 Neve Campbell

                                  Anything that does burst magic damage early is good - Shadow Fiend, Lina, Queen of Pain, Pugna and Skywrath as far as conventional mids go and half the support pool if you are going to play like Crit-. Problem is these heros are normally vulnerable to Huskar later even if you stomp the lane. Viper is a solid choice that beats Huskar in lane and continues to beat him into the late game too.

                                  Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

                                    Pugna.

                                    CUTNPASTE

                                      Troll warlord is excellent throughout the game and doesn't lock you into an aids hero like viper. Just make sure that once he is level 6 to hold your blind until after he ultis.

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                                      low prio master

                                        Kunnka is ok

                                        ywn

                                          kunkka and qop gets fucked

                                          BABING

                                            Brewmaster could tank huskar mid? His hp regen has been buffed.

                                            gfg

                                              Viper is a good pick agains Huskar

                                              JDF8

                                                not arc warden lmaoooo

                                                mute all

                                                  mk, clinkz, dp

                                                  Ayaneru   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                                    Huskar mid is good early, But can't last hit very well therefore when the game gets late, he'll be outfarmed by his mid matchup.

                                                    Jack__Attack

                                                      Thanks all for the input and advices.

                                                      papito bravo

                                                        Panda.
                                                        And don't drink chocolate anymore

                                                        Peekaboo

                                                          Clinkz, Morphling (lvl 3), troll

                                                          Clinkz oblitterates him unless you get ganked

                                                          Spírít

                                                            I have seen topson pick troll mid into huskar multiple times and hes had a lot of success with it.

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                                                            Farzad

                                                              OD,Silencer,Necro,Life.

                                                              Emperor Xu Mail

                                                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K1FFs3hjGI

                                                                yo, watch this. Yawar huskar got destroyed by a chinese batrider mid.

                                                                Marko Bulat

                                                                  Lina, Viper and Clinkx absolutely shit on Huskar in lane he cant do shit to them and just dies.

                                                                  DC.MASON

                                                                    i forgot batrider existed

                                                                    ..Ame..

                                                                      enigma mid

                                                                      ..Ame..

                                                                        enigma can fuck huskar every single time in lane, then huskar go jungle at level 3 or 4

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                                                                          lina just right click him

                                                                          Death

                                                                            Just go for viper sir, is easy to play + pretty strong, is the best hero for this huskar situation.

                                                                            Khéops-

                                                                              Troll >>> Huskar

                                                                              Feachairu

                                                                                @girl wat you build on enigma mid,now i wanna do it