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General DiscussionWhy Am I Losing My Party Games?

Why Am I Losing My Party Games? in General Discussion
JULES THE DOTA ENJOYER

    Guys, I'm really frustrated right now because the strategies that I apply in Solo q doesn't seem to be working in Party Q.

    Let me explain.

    In Solo Q, people make a lot of mistakes because they are uncoordinated from each other, same with my team.

    I use these mistakes to my advantage by punishing my enemy hard from it. And as you can see from my profile my Solo games are pretty good, I get streaks.

    However, it's just not the same with parties.

    In parties, it's just a battle of team coordination most of the time.

    This is the part where I have to say (and please prove me wrong) that I get teammates who are less coordinated than the other team.

    For example, look at this.

    https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4336214379

    I was doing very well as solo jugg on bottom, owning tide and invoker.

    But this Ember, man, this fucking ember just decides to RUSH RAPIERS, YES, WITH "S", this FUCKTARD bought 2 RAPIERS!

    As a team we told him this was a frikkin horrible idea because, look at my enemy teams lineup?

    At first the enemy team wasn't a real threat, I kept killing them because sometimes they were out of position and like I said I punish these said mistakes hard.

    Now they kinda figured out what they were doing wrong and decided it would be better if they always stick. It became hard to solo pick off the enemy with this.

    I told my ember we should take rosh, walk down middle with my aegis and kill them all, take throne. All while the game is still early and we still had an advantage.

    What actually happened?

    Yes. We walk down middle with my aegis, I initiate, enemy team engages, my team engages.

    But guess who's the first one out? You guessed right! The Ember.

    With his ult he decided to abandon the team fight and go back to base WITH FULL HEALTH!

    We told him that this was stupid and that he should use his rapiers to hit and kill the enemy. But he didn't listen.

    We respawned and we tried several times to take the throne but it all effort was useless since Ember just wasn't playing with the team.
    He always leaves an illusion at base and while he is pushing lanes, the moment he thinks he's in trouble he just ults back to base, and repeats the same process over and over.

    This is obviously a coward mindset and we tried to tell him that he's just setting up the team for failure by not playing with us.

    In the end, the enemy carries became too strong for me to handle alone, no thanks to Ogre who babysits them.

    We tried to take a team fight but it was too late. They were just too strong.

    Even Ember with 2 rapiers couldn't damage them and kinda just sat there hitting them while the enemy kept hitting our ancient and finally won the game.

    So like I said guys, in party Q, the team dynamics are different since everybody is partied with somebody and the synergy is quite very high. And if you get teammates like Ember from my team, you pretty much lost the game.

    Do you guys have any tips on how I could solo carry party games with my friend? We mostly do 2 man.

    How do I break the enemy's synergy? how do I disrupt their play?

    In solo this is quite easy because everybody is just minding their own business. Not caring at all.

    In party, players really care for their partied members and they always have a TP scroll available, making ganking quite hard.

    Which goes back to my original statement that synergy in party Q's are quite high and you need a different set of skills to win.

    So back to my original question, how do I solo carry my party games?

    AnŦaiN

      My uncle , who taught me dota in 2009 when i was 7 yo , and got 5k mmr in 2015 , told me that , dont play fucking party rank unless u atleast atleast hit 4.5k solo . U are just going to waste time and lose friends by playing before that . End

      Kotato

        ^wow do you have friends?

        AnŦaiN

          ^
          Hmm , less than 10 real life friends who play dota , none above than legend so i dont play party and party is 3k mmr . Dont like to play party ranked with randoms unless they immortal or divine xD .
          If u talking about overall friends , im quite sure i have lost count , im pretty social unlike u(plural) nerd baboons xD who sit behind their lcd the whole fucking day and are nothing but a dead weight on the parents , the society and the Earth .

          Khéops-

            Love is in the air.

            Marko Bulat

              Party games are for fun and not to be taken seriosly, Solo ranked is for tryharding. This is the general concensus, why? Because in Solo MMR disparity is low 2-4 stars between players so its more balanced and fair, there is a lot of stuff beyond your control in party stacks if you play in a group of 2 or 3. First of all MMR disparity is too high you can get ancient legends opponents that you are not used to play against or coordinate with, different dota is played in every bracket. There could be fights about lanes which immediately lead to tilt and offsets coordination and teamwork "WTF that guy took my role, fuck that guy i aint helping him" etc, Some player mains one role in Solo ranked, but he may try something else in party and suck at it, so you can guess how well thats going to end up.

              You can tryhard in party stack only in a stack of 5 but even then some weird stuff can happen, smurfs and 5 stacks also are not immune on MMR disparity you get in party queues.

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              Where is my Hu Tao

                party games are usually harder simply because you are playing with ur friends. In solo everyone on both side is basically the same. The mindset is similar and what they do you expect. In party some people are way below the skill bracket. Small things that you dont notice your supports doing that matter alot in a solo game in the party the support didnt do and suddenly we are very behind.

                Feachairu

                  ello,im a dead time party player and i use all solo knowledge to play party and it wins games,maybe you just do weird stuff

                  Cobrex :c

                    I for one can't play properly in party games if we're on discord n shit.

                    For example:
                    * If im playing pos1 in a party, I'll hear people after min 8-10 over the mic going "they wanna fight their mid rotated, can you stun?" etc, and I panic if I'm on the other side of the map. I'm thinking to rotate, but I know for sure doing that isn't the right move. Still, it hinders my play alot.
                    * If im playing pos1 solo, I'll see 2-3 of my teammates gather and ping, maybe say something. I'm looking at the minimap thinking "wtf are these cucks doing? oh their mid is there, they'd better not fkin feed bcuz im not rotating to that shit, I can get this tower maybe".

                    Maybe you're experiencing this aswell, maybe not ... good luck

                    SuperMage

                      Your Ember had 2 Devin rapiers and you did rosh THEN YOU took the aegis? really? that was a greate mistake !