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General Discussionwhen going highground

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i follow Jesus.

    is it better to destroy melee racks + some other t3 or melee and ranged racks?

    House Window Licker

      Melee and ranged should be top pirorty since when they are destroyed, it gives you better creeps to keep pressure on that specfic lane

      Ojou-Sama

        Mele + t3

        DC.MASON

          tfw no bunny girl senpai gf

          Khéops-

            The idea that ranged is top priority
            over another melee says a lot about how you think about Dota2 and explains why you're low MMR.

            T3 + Melee is the better option unless you're going for megas.

            i follow Jesus.

              i'm glad i was thinking right, a lot of teammates usually just want to take both racks and leave, i always yell at them for doing so

              Feachairu

                it depends on your items and your team&enemy condition honestly,if you have aegis and all ults and enemy team is like half dead &cant disturb u on when destroying the barracks until its 0 hp you usually go melee
                i dont like hitting melee barracks when i'm not confident destroying it,it has regen and its gonna get full again,ranged is easier to destroy and gives your team gold+ more map push (i play early heroes btw,so if i push at min 15-30 i usually consider these)
                melee rack got buffed alot imo

                yes,destroying melee+t3 and leaving ranged is like the best optimal choice,but not many situations you can do that
                if the game is like 60-80 mins and enemy has like lots of racks standing and u can destroy 3 melee+3 tower(means enemy team no bb&die or whatever) its probably better to just punch the ancient rightaway
                not too sure about 2 melee and 2 tower,idk which is better but 2 tower 1 melee is probably aint worth it,again. not sure

                you also most of the times wanna like retreat after destroying enemy t3(again,unless enemy team is dead/cant do anything),not going to hit that barracks after t3 so punching ranged a little bit is really good chipping

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                vlas.97

                  You get T3 + melee rax

                  question: should i get ranged rax or a second t3?

                  ofc you get the next t3 and even next melee if possible. if there is not enough time left you simply get the first range.

                  the ranged is down fast and in your attack range already while the next t3 needs more dmg to take down plus the distance you need travel. Means low investment for the ranged rax but less profit. On the other hand depending on the game situation the ranged rax can be taken down in seconds.

                  It all depends on the game situation, for example, if you can get megas you do the ranged rax as well. But a nother t3 is more worth then a ranged.

                  Riguma Borusu

                    compulsory after lorn anvil reply

                    Khéops-

                      The other t3 allows you to just wave push and not focus on that lane full time. It forces people to defend/depush & sentry that lane.

                      Of course if they're all dead with no BB just go throne but that's infered.

                      Feachairu

                        walking to other tower honestly aint a good idea imo if you on min 15-30(maybe 35 too) min pushes,too risky + u gonna be tanking the tower without any creeps,its just being greedy
                        plus tower is like really tanky,he got like 999 armor and ranged rack has like 5 armor or something,u gonna love that extra gold for your team too

                        oh well,what do i know anyway lol

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                        Khéops-

                          s i t u a t i o n a l

                          A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘

                            Its all situational, dont waste time yelling though

                            Kotato

                              destroy both baracks, thank you.

                              PS if you do not tend to do it, you need help with your ADHD from a psychotherapist

                              House Window Licker

                                Kingy i am not saying that if another lanes melee baracks are open then yeah go for it, but if it is the first HG push you should get both barracks first after the T3

                                vlas.97

                                  t3 > ranged raxx , challenge my facts

                                  TokyoTokyo

                                    i think it depends on your hero. certain heroes need pick off before taking the next objectives.... if i play lycan, i normally go highground push at minute 25 after taking roshan. if there is T2 still standing. i wont go for rosh, i feel its a bit of waste, so either a pick off to take T2 that leds to T3 or roshan then prepare for T3.

                                    almost same pattern if i play Clinkz but slightly different if im CK.

                                    of course, BKB timing is also important, especially if the game is so close.

                                    Feachairu

                                      i never thought of if can roshan safely is a waste at all times,that's pretty interesting thought lol

                                      getting rs imo very good stuff since aegis enables you to do lots of stuff

                                      ETd

                                        Something that I’ve done as a meme was to take t3, ranged rax, then back up. The enemies think they got away with minimal damage, but those super ranged creeps can bite in the ass a lot of times, in terms of pushing the lane WHILE YOU DON’T REALIZE IT. The opponents feel like they can push mid? They underestimate señor super ranged. They’re a great outlet for rat attacks

                                        EmotionalDrift

                                          T3 skip baracks then T4s and Ancient EZ xD

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                                          cartel

                                            wow you actually get to go highground
                                            A M A Z I N G

                                            Metsis

                                              Destroying both of the barracks is pretty much always good... But if you have the time and space, you can send like 3-4 heroes onto to the next tier 3 once the melee rax is down. That ranged rax can be easily taken down by one core hero. And then join to take down the tier 3...

                                              By taking down both of the rax, you create a lane that will be pushing into the enemy base for the rest of the game... So you can use that to get a gank off on the hero that comes to push back the lane... Or do another push on another lane when the rax-less lane is getting close to the enemy base. A hero or two will be heading there to push it back. And you have space to push another objective against 4 heroes instead of 5.

                                              This is a game of objectives... You should get as many as you can. You need to use your game sense if you have time to push more or just do one set of rax and then get back... That ranged rax is way faster to take down than another tier 3 tower. So what ever you have time for. Buybacks and re-spawns can alter this time you have available quite rapidly. So be aware of this fact.