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meteor hammer

    i always ban cw because im a tinker player. enabling a tinker pick lets me play way better than a different hero. if i was planning on playing ta i might ban viper instead because hes good now but ive been banning cw every game. plus a lot of the time u get 1-3 pick mids on the other team so theres no pressure about getting counterpicked

    meteor hammer

      everyones different obviously. last time i hit 5k i woudl get 1v3'd viper +2 against my ta and id still come out on top because of better jungle rotations and the xp drain from his supports.

      the most worrisome thing to me is more tanky heroes stacking armor than a ton of dots although veno can be super cancerous if played right

      i dont think cw is super annoying as ta because you get a fast pike and a lot of the times if u have buble before he hooks you ull be able to blink out before he takes 6 charges, plus 4ks will usually try to gank once without dust

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      ShiftingSkys

        To the OP you can get out of hidden pool. I know for a fact it exist's because I use to shut my mouth and let retards do their shit. Hit 4.4k Started to rage because my Support necro goes Q E E... My support ES goes W E W E.... needless to say 2 LPP later the quality of the team-mates are fucking ridiculous. Kunkka who cant hit a Torrernt after a stun... SS who doesn't skill ult till lvl 10. CM with no ult lvl 12. Players dying without using a spell vs heroes with no stun LOL. Anyway GL man the only way out is to spam ur favorite hero for 20 games win..win..win and don't say a word. Even Good Job they might take it as sarcastic and report you anyway.

        meteor hammer

          u guys are focusing so much on dumb shit. just play ur own game better and it wont matter if ur teammate is useless because ull be 9/0 and have aegis

          Dip-

            you are just tilted bruh , just take a break for a week and when u comeback u'll be mor eeffective , i lost 500 mmr in 3 days due to tilting ( same as your problems ) after 15 days break i managed to reclaim my lost mmr :)

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              @Bungmangler I agree with your analysis about the games and the different kind of situations players face in the long run, but trust me, that applies only in the normal pool. There you have, on 100 games, balanced matches overall. I can assure you it's not the same once you bs drops drastically. Unfortunately I've had serious internet problems basically since forever, that got worse in the last 2 months. Only in the last week I got like 8-9 abandons, plus I'm a rager and this doesn't help, but my bs dropped mostly 'cause of my connection and I've had 2000-3500 bs for 4-5 months now. I can assure if you find yourself there you will notice the difference. It's so obvious you can't avoid it. It's like, on those 100 gamea, 80 are lost from the start, 10 are a 50-50 and 10 are very winnable. No joke. Some days ago I got matched with the same guy for 4 games in a row, he told me he dropped from 4.7k to 3.8k. He doesn't seem like he's a rager or anything but he talks a lot even to the other team, so he probably got reported by some random frustrated idiot, or gets abandons, I don't know. All I know is once you get in the hidden pool you'll find only, ONLY feeders, ragers, people on a huge losing streak, trolls and stuff. Not in 20/100 games, always. Normal rules don't apply, that's why you can't win 1v9 unless you're a 7k in a 2k game, like Mafioso said. I don't know if he has experienced hidden pool himself but all he said I could 100% relate to. And I can assure it is not an excuse, I know I make mistakes, I know what they are, I know I can't be 5k 'cause I'm really bad at farming efficiently and from 5k up it's all about efficiency from what I know, but 4k? LOL, I've played a lot of times with a 5k guy in 4.5k matches and had no problems doing what I'm good at, harassing, rotating, initiating, telling them what's the best thing to do. And I was even better than them at these things. So no, I'm sure 4k was not my cap, or whatever the word for it is lol. I could provide tons of examples, in the Undying game I went 8-1-7 in 18-20 minutes, gave every lane kills, helped pushing, only to find out later that my Ember was a 2k player in a 4k game. He went 6-13 despite all the help possible. So was my AA from the same game, he got the most delayed and useless midas ever. In another game, I think it was the LC one, I told my midder not to pick DP 'cause we had way too much physical damage already and to pick some magical and burst damage to balance. He said it wad . Guess what, went 1-6 in the first 10 minutes vs a solo QoP and then abandoned. These are just a few examples but things like these happened every game, literally. Otherwise I wouldn't have felt the weird urge to write this topic and let the anger out. To give you another example, in the Ursa game I was stomping the enemy team, I was 14-3 or something, knowing that Ursa isn't a late game hero and would get outcarried by Sven I tries to push but my team was just splitting and ganking. And I couldn't write to them 'cause I had gotten muted by people like that DP or Ember from the previous games. Our Ember was the most late game hero we had and he wasn't able to do shit. Now guess who they blamed again. Yeah exactly. In that Ursa game I lost to a 4k Necrophos who kept spamming 'dota wtf! Ursa how can you hit me when I use my second skill!!!11!', not knowing how diffusal works. A 4k player. Then he spammed 'ez Ursa' and offended after winning by miracle. Wanna laugh? In my Invoker game that dumbshit was in my team, randomed Chen, couldn't play him for shit so he forced another player to swap it, who wasn't even that good, and played Kunkka. And he was trash even with Kunkka, he couldn't cast even the basic x-mark torrent combo. I got 13 reports for doing nothing but my best. I'm extremely competitive and all I wanna do in ranked is win, it's a challenge for me to improve my gameplay and therefore mmr. If you find experiencing such things for 2 days in a row, every game, is normal then by all means hidden pool doesn't exist. But we all know it isn't. BSJ can keep it PMA all he wants but even him couldn't win these games. These are the games boosters call unwinnable and that happen 5-10% of the times usually. In hidden pool this becomes normality. I had no intention to ruin any game and yet I got -220 mmr, 13 reports and a 24 hours mute. Ez

              meteor hammer

                i guarantee you a booster for 4k is not going to get "shadow pooled" and lose more than 10% of his games

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                  Man I write way too much o.o
                  @ShiftingSkys @Bandit- thanks guys, yeah taking a break and starting to use that goddamn mute button are the only solutions to this mess I think.

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                    @can't be done of course he won't, since he's much more skilled than the avg 4k player, has good connection for sure and I'm sure mutes the entire team and just plays his game. What I meant is, in the current situation I'm in, even a booster wouldn't win and would struggle a lot 'cause most games are simply unwinnable from the start. Those certain losses that normally occur 1 every 10-20 games for him, in hidden pool are about 8 every 10 games for me, so I'd say 3-4 every 10 games for a much more skilled booster.

                    Coroner

                      bruh you are taking this way way toooo seriously. Just click steam, library, uninstall. Done. Your life will be better. You are too fucked up

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                        Haha I can't disagree. But unfortunately I really like this game and put so much effort in improving that I can't even think of uninstalling. You sir have a point tho, I need to slow down.

                        casual gamer

                          if i start thinking about my team its like a 85% chance i lose because im super cancer

                          IVANA

                            Yes Sir

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                              'Cant be done ' cmmon dunning kruger kido cut the bullshit , you can teach me how to play the game ? cause your 4k ?!!!!!!!! ahahahhahahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahahhahahhaha.... thats the problem here 4k 5 k scrubs act like they ar dota gods and know everything better than other lower mmr, why wouldi leanr dota from a 4k monkey , when i can learn from Purge, BSJ, HUntaela, and many other coaches on youtube which i also learned from them this behavior score thing, so when you comming with your pointles arguments its that you thing you should know more than me cause im lower mmr and thats why you have to be right and you writte completely nonsense in your comments son. and im not 4k or 5 k as cookie only cause i play 90% of the games in party with my friends for fun and even in solo i play for fun tghats why bs is important, to enjoy the game, if i would wanted to be 4 k ,5k , ican do it in a month by spaming my best heroes but im not that depresed enough , as yo uare to gain mmr , you should foccus more on getting brain.

                              dfdls

                                What is going on, can't even read these blocks of words and stuff. God almighty...

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                                  'MATCHMAKING IS SO FUCKING'... thats right man you know those things cause you experienced byyourself , those kids here talking about it like they know something but they never experienced it or made any researches about it, its like a deaf talking about music. cause trust me for mostly of the kids here this site is thery small world , and they dont know anything out of it, they only keep sharing to each others same thing they know only from theyr experience or waht 'god' cookie told to them. yeah cookie a 5 k scrub arc spamer that thing he is better in dota and know everything that other lowers mmr players dont lol. now this is the trent here if im higher mmr i know everything better than you , and you have to learn from me ahahhahahahha, no kids let me fre your brain no cookie other any other 5 k spamming for mmr is going to teach you shit about dota, if you wanna learn get a real coach or watch some of them on youtube, like purge , blitz , bsj, yapzor ect. those thing that i learned about bs i noticed first from my experience but iwas not sure about it, till i got that confirmed by proffesonal coaches.

                                  Jacked

                                    i like how a lot of these delusional guys are able to perform some incredible mental aerobics.

                                    they are somehow able to compartmentalize "Skilled boosters" as a unique class on its own. It is quite a feat that they have achieved in their own minds. the very blaring evidence that tells them they are bad, is conveniently twisted to support themselves. how exactly do these delusional specimens achieve this?

                                    let's see.. "skilled boosters" are "skilled" at "boosting" and not just dota in general. voila.
                                    Because these "skilled boosters" can somehow win more unwinnable games with unique skillset independent of dota skill. Hence, that somehow qualifies their delusion that while they themselves are skilled at dota, they are unable to win certain unwinnable games that other "skilled boosters" are able to. And boosters do so with some magic luck or skill unrelated to being good at Dota.

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                                    plaku]

                                      lol as always jaacked comming with a comment ( wrong after all) not releated with the topic he looks like a lonely guy that rly needs to share his daily thoughts somewhere or will get depresd.

                                      Väinämöinen

                                        my bhs dropped to 4k (without being in low prio a single time) just by getting matched with delusinal smurfs that report anyone and anybody all the time and never recommend. I had like a 70% winrate before i started my all hero challenge idiocy and still 4k beh score.

                                        matches become significantly retarded. at some point, for about 10 matches i couldnt play without someone of either team abandoning within the first 10 minutes. or playing with turks/algerians with 300 ping. very very toxic games.every games supports tried to take my last hits

                                        Now im at 6k score and yesterday i had 2 of my allies flaming me for being lvl4 at minute 6 with a roaming enchant, even though i killed mid twice. they literally told me to afk jungle.

                                        people saying it doesnt effect matchmaking never had a low score. and yes even at 9k youll get feeders and toxic people but not every single game 8/10 people.

                                        that being said it doesnt matter and shouldnt effect your winrate, because the enemy team is in the same pool and equally toxic retarded. if i play heros i can actually play instead of first picking slark which i never played before i will win most of my games

                                        Jacked

                                          HAHA mafioso. come at me bro

                                          Hunter o Caçador

                                            Why dont you play for fun, pick a lane random a hero, make a shit build, its 50/50 or you win or you lose.

                                            all role player

                                              JUST UNINSTAL THE GAME !
                                              UNINSTAL
                                              THE
                                              GAME !

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                                                @Jacked every comment you leave makes no sense lol. Also stop going from topic to topic telling people they're bad or to git gud or shooting those retarded pseudo-intellectual analysis about people's personalities, 'cause you don't know shit, just like for Dota.
                                                @Thanks eh, thanks. Another experience similar to mine. Not that I was just looking for people who support my idea about hidden pool, but it's like only people who have a really low bs can understand the issue and agree. I hope people who have never had a direct experience with hidden pool will start to at least think about its possible existence.
                                                @Hook And Roll I often try to take it easy, especially now that I'm focusing on increasing my bs so I only play normal or party ranked, but what's fun in a game full of retards stealing lanes, flaming each other, abandoning and stuff? Even dagon SB isn't fun anymore.
                                                @Lelouch Iamperouji- (SHIT)SHOW MUST GO OOON

                                                rüm

                                                  support pls

                                                  Jacked

                                                    Maybe hidden pool exists. But it's not the reason you suck at Dota and can't win. Get it loser?

                                                    Jacked

                                                      You admit u have Low behaviour score. There's always an easier explanation. Which is you are the cancerous toxic fuck and your teammates have to accommodate you and not the other way around.

                                                      Jacked

                                                        A u t I s m

                                                        Giff me Wingman

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                                                            @Jacked, who sucks at Dota if, despite the conditions I play under (really bad internet and low bs) I still have a 52% winrate overall and a 53.30% in ranked? In high 3k-4k? Not to mention the fact that I lost 1% of the total winrate 'cause Dark Moon games were being counted as losses lol, or the fact that I lost 2% of the winrate in ranked just by playing party only with people I didn't know/were trash just like you, or even the fact that I thought having 110 ping was pretty normal and the least one could have, when I often played with 300-400 ping and I see people complain about 90 ping lol. I can't win constantly NOW THAT I'M IN PLAIN HIDDEN POOL, not in general, that's also how you notice something in the matchmaking changed, not that I needed further evidence. Losing constantly might be normal for you, since you're nothing but a worthless, frustrated, trash monkey who spends his time on this forum not being helpful but telling people to gitttguddd and that they are a u t i s t i c (omg so edgy, kid) when you are what, fucking 2k? 3k? Monkey, please. Moreover, how many times did I say, after I was told by other players, that bs drops mostly 'cause of abandons? So nah kid, most of all I gotta thank that amazing connection if I'm in this. Now take note kid: don't you ever think you can outsmart me with one of those nonsense bullshits about my traits, the logic behind my ideas and shit. I mean I understand, it's so clear you're mentally challenged AND have some low self-esteem complex that you feel the urge to please by trying to bring people down and proving you're smarter than them, above them. You're above no one and of course not smarter than me, just wanted to inform you, you're actually much more below than the avg player on Dota and, intellectually and humanly speaking, much more below than the people you try to destroy here. Could you be any more pathetic? Nah I don't think so. You are nothing and you are aware of that, deal with it, dumbshit.
                                                            @Blubb did you just look into the mirror? Or at the monkey above you?

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                                                              Below 2k in solo o.o maan should have checked that earlier, before writing that essay about how kdisgusting you are, could have summarized with 'get it loserrr??!!? A u T i S m dunnIng KruEGer' - A below 2k SEA kid. I mean... come on monkey. You're a living joke.

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                                                              Autumnus

                                                                Just create a smurf account and play on that account to cool your head.

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                                                                  Good idea sir, was thinking about that already, thank you.

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                                                                    @v e n z oh I forgot about that response in that thread, I had found it a couple of months ago. Yeah apparently that guy confirmed it actually exists.

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                                                                      ahahahahahahahahahahhah you nailed him man . you rly need to take it more ez with jacked cause im 100% sure already that he is a real retarded he needs to leave his comment heres cause there exist no community in this world that would not laugh and poke that poor kid seeing the way his brain works. thats why i decided not to flame him anymore jsut let him in his dream world or he can rly commite suicide if 1 more person will tell him what he rly is. i cant handle this so sry jacked dont do anything stupid pls life is worth living even if your stupid ( way to much)

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                                                                        Bungmangler

                                                                          LOL ^^^